Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
Now we are finally getting somewhere. Just like Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality 'governed' his birth status in 1961, Ted Cruz is ineligible too. Fox News has confirmed it and rightly so. Sean Hannity made a huge blunder the other day and declared Ted Cruz a natural born citizen because he was born to a American mother in Canada. He was so wrong. Cruz is a 14th Amendment U.S. 'statutory' (not natural born) citizen which is something completely different than a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen which is explicitly designed only for the presidency by the framers.
If he runs I'd bet, if they take the case at all, the courts (ultimately the Supreme Court if necessary) will rule Cruz eligible.
The old fake but accurate ploy, works every time. If we become them, then why have an election at all?
bfl
See my post at 189. U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. consulates are not considered U.S. soil for the purposes of citizenship at birth.
“...wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....”
Yes. your baby is a U.S. citizen. Eligibility requirements for POTUS (pre-odongo) would probably not be met.
This has been a known issue for a very long time. I was born in 1950 on the US/Canadian border. The only hospital was on the Canadian side. Both my parents were U.S. citizens. Because of this very issue, they elected to birth at home on the American side so as to FOREVER avoid this issue. Not that I ever wanted to run, or ever wanted the job, of POTUS, I would at least be eligible and be able to avoid just this kind of stuff. Clear as mud, I know.
Let them choke on it!
Let them??? Let Them???
NO NO NO
MAKE THEM CHOKE ON IT!!!!
This is exactly how it will play out. If Cruz wishes to run, he won't have any problems.
Senator Cruz is going to do no such thing. Nothing would torpedo his career faster than throwing his lot in with a bunch of nutjob conspiracy mongers.
ORLY? Check out Article I, Section 8, Clause 10 'Law of Nations'
The full title of Vattel's work was the The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law, and it was what the Founders used to WRITE the Constituion.
Not only in an UNoffical capacity-
I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly, that copy which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the college of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author. Your manuscript Idee sur le gouvernment et la royauté, is also well relished, and may, in time, have its effect. I thank you, likewise, for the other smaller pieces, which accompanied Vattel.
Benjamin Franklin To Charles-Guillaume-Frédéric Dumas, Philadelphia December 9, 1775.
but also in an OFFICAL capacity as well-
Journal of the Senate of the United States of America / Monday / March 10, 1794 / Volume 2 / page 44
Ordered, That the Secretary purchase Blackstone's Commentaries, and Vattel's Law of Nature and Nations, for the use of the Senate.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsj&fileName=002/llsj002.db&recNum=42&itemLink=D?hlaw:13:./temp/~ammem_LF5V::%230020043&linkText=1
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Even after Ratification, legal scholars continued to state the importance of Vattel's work within the mechanics of Constituional Law.
It will he remembered, that the object of the several states in the adoption of that instrument, was not the establishment of a general consolidated government, which should swallow up the state sovereignties, and annihilate their several jurisdictions, and powers, as states; but a federal government, with powers limited to certain determinate objects; viz. their intercourse and concerns with foreign nations; and with each other, as separate and independent states; and, as members of the same confederacy: leaving the administration of their internal, and domestic concerns, to the absolute and uncontrolable jurisdiction of the states, respectively; except in one or two particular instances, specified, and enumerated in the constitution. And because this principle was supposed not to have been expressed with sufficient precision, and certainty, an amendatory article was proposed, adopted, and ratified; whereby it is expressly declared, that, "the powers not delegated to the United States by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." This article is, indeed, nothing more than an express recognition of the law of nations; for Vattel informs us, "that several sovereign, and independent states may unite themselves together by a perpetual confederacy, without each in particular ceasing to be a perfect state.
Of the Unwritten, or Common Law of England; And Its Introduction into, and Authority Within the United American States
George Tucker
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Just because we have been told all our lives by our government educators that the federal government is the sole arbitrator of what the Constitution MEANS doesn't make it true.
Maybe because as Patriots we feel the Constitution and Bill of Rights actually mean something.
Feel free to garner a movement to amend the Constitution declaring that we are all Citizens of the World, as Obama claimed to be on his European pre-election tour.
Kumbaya everyone.
We nominated no one, and Romney is far from liberal.
I backed Rick Perry, but many here told me he was an insider charlatan and then others told me he was a dufus no count.
Truth is, he has done a pretty decent job of keeping the peace and prosperity.
I almost voted for Kinky Friedman in one election cycle because Rick was getting a little to big for his britches.
I figured, Kinky would make Willie Nelson his energy Czar. the two would sit around the Govs mansion wearing cowboy hats. playin guitars and smoking doobies and no harmful legislation would be passed LOL.
While I like serious effective politicians I would rather most of them fade into the grey and just get out of the peoples bussiness
“...I would continue to push Cruz. Let’s see how the Democrats react....”
I wholly agree. It will bring out the worst hypocrisy you’ll ever see. They pushed that used sack of Kenyan goat crap onto America without vetting him, or they kept it well-hidden. His father was a British subject!...unless it was Marshall. Who knows what he really is. The communists really have no voice when it comes to Cruz.
“Just like Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality ‘governed’ his birth status in 1961, Ted Cruz is ineligible too.”
It was the Obama campaign that claimed in twisted legal language that THE CHILDREN of BHO Sr. were “governed by” the BNA of 1948...and concluded that Barry was a UK subject at birth. But how reliable is the Obot legal team????
If you actually read the BNA of 1948 you discover that only the LEGAL children are UK subjects at birth, NOT illegitimate children of bigamous marriages.
Contemporaneous legal documents in the INS FOIA file reveal a strong suspicion by the INS, the U of HI, and Harvard that BHO Sr. had a wife back in Kenya. A letter in the Tom Mboya archive from BHO Sr. to Mboya asks Mboya to look after HIS WIFE in Nairobi circa 1964. UK Kenya Colony law has statutes against bigamy and against mixing tribal, Christian and Muslim marriages. BHO Sr. was Muslim in name only, was educated in a Christian-only school and did NOT have a Muslim marriage to Kezia and gave his first son by Kezia a Christian name (son only later coverted to being Muslim) and a daughter of the marriage to Kezia was not raised Muslim. In 1964, hard-drinking Marxist non-Muslim BHO Sr. returned to Kenya after independence and married an American white Jewish woman.
Therefore, if any US court ever ruled that Barry’s UK father prevented him from being NBC at birth, Barry could just point to the fact that for single mothers, nationality follows the mother, not the father both at the time of the founding and going forward. So there would be no dual citizenship and on foreign clam on loyalty, the primary NBC concern of the founders, if Barry’s mom was legally single at birth.
Joe Arpaio is an experienced federal and state LEO who claims he has proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Barry’s HI LFBC is a forgery. If true, there is no proof that Barry was born on US soil, although there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence in the INS FOIA files that SADO is his mom and that BHO Sr. was fingered by U of HI as the dad and considered to be the dad by the INS.
And if Obama somehow got away with having 11 wives or marrying his daughter, that means we throw all law, morality and history out the window?
"Canada is sort of America-Lite..."
The comedienne Kathleen Madigan had a great bit about Canada:
"Canada is like America's attic. You hardly ever go up there, but when you do, you look around and say: 'Wow, there's some cool s**t up here!'"
No, we.did not. That is a ridiculous statement.
Do you Honestly believe that if you are a good citizen of the USA and your child is born overseas, and embraces and loves you and the USA, your child should be denied your beliefs and legacy?
Is that in the constitution?
Correct, but that citizenship is obtained by statute rather than under the 14th Amendment. See my post @214 for the details of the following statement: According to the State Dept., statutory citizenship at birth may not be equivalent to natural-born citizenship obtained under the U.S. Constitution on U.S. soil. Statutory citizens at birth may not be eligible for the presidency. The courts have never ruled on it.
No problems, except for getting vote from people who don't see him as being eligible or want anything to do with his politics.
I love the guy and think he's getting off to a tremendous start in the Senate!
But running him for POTUS will be divisive for the party that runs him, since those who like him but like the Constitution more won't vote for him and the other half of the country never would vote for him any way.
That sort of divide and conquer works against you if you want to win the WH.
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