What about the newborn in the second photo? Do they both look “pink” to you?
Obama’s attorneys have asked US District Court Judge Henry T. Wingate in Mississippi to take judicial notice of a Certified Letter of Verification from the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics. Attached to that Letter of Verification is a copy of Obama’s long form birth certificate.
Since there is no state or federal law that requires a candidate or a federal elected official to submit a birth certificate, there has been no need for Obama to enter one into evidence in any lawsuit or ballot challenge. If a Trier of Fact would like to see the long form, he or she can issue a court order for its release. But I’m sure that you are aware that defendants are under no obligation to present ANY evidence. Perhaps a lawsuit will have a real discovery phase one of these days and the two copies Obama got from Hawaii will be on a discovery list.
If judicial notice was taken of the BC itself then Taitz would have the ability to demand the original to be presented for her examination. MDEC didn’t ask the judge to take judicial notice of the forged BC though - just the letter of verification (where they never asked about the genuineness of the White House image or the truthfulness of the claims). They asked if the “information contained in” the White House image “matched”. When KS SOS Kris Kobach asked if the information in the White House image was “IDENTICAL TO” the information in the genuine record, Onaka would not verify that - showing that there is a difference between “matches” and “is identical to”.
The MDEC lawyers knew that. That’s why they were very careful never to ask anything that would only work for a valid record. It was their actions which made me realize that they knew Onaka had confirmed the non-validity of the HDOH record.
It doesn't matter what I think. Unless that's Obama's baby picture, it means absolutely NOTHING. If you want to quibble, contact Obama's mama's friend who said he was PINK.
Obama’s attorneys have asked US District Court Judge Henry T. Wingate in Mississippi to take judicial notice of a Certified Letter of Verification from the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics. Attached to that Letter of Verification is a copy of Obama’s long form birth certificate.
Why didn't they just provide any of the actual certified hard copies that are considered prima facie evidence??? That's what most rational people would do. Under the rules of evidence, unless the certified copy is presented in court and made available to the plaintiffs, those exhibits are considered hearsay and mean NOTHING.
Since there is no state or federal law that requires a candidate or a federal elected official to submit a birth certificate, there has been no need for Obama to enter one into evidence in any lawsuit or ballot challenge.
Then what's the point in talking about Obama's attorneys asking for judicial notice?? That's not required, yet you seem to want credit for that, but that's kind of wanting to have it both ways.
If a Trier of Fact would like to see the long form, he or she can issue a court order for its release.
I'm pretty sure that's been tried, but Hawaii refused to cooperate.
But I’m sure that you are aware that defendants are under no obligation to present ANY evidence.
No, they are under no obligation and the court is under no obligation to believe or accept any claims made through judicial notice or through hearsay, such as Monika Danielsson. All this means is what I said earlier. Obama refuses to submit one of the alleged certified hard copies he possesses. Although, I don't know if he really possesses the LFBC. When they held the press conference, IIRC, they made a point of saying that he was NOT allowed to handle the LFBC. Wonder why?
Perhaps a lawsuit will have a real discovery phase one of these days and the two copies Obama got from Hawaii will be on a discovery list.
Why should it require a "real" discovery phase?? How about simple transparency and doing the right thing?? And why is it not obvious that refusing to present any documentary proof in court is why this issue never seems to get resolved?? How can anyone respect a president ... and a former lawyer, for not presenting basic proof of citizenship??