36% Believe Obama is Hiding Biographical Information

Sven Magnussen ^ | Jan 18, 2013 | Sven Magnussen

[ABrit]

.....During the 2008 campaign, Obama admitted Lolo Soetoro was his step-father and he was in Indonesia in 1968 attending elementary school. Lolo Soetoro and Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham-Soetoro, were married in Hawaii in 1965. Obama campaign supporters have consistently and repeatedly insisted Indonesian Law would not allow Obama to be adopted by Lolo Soetoro and he could not be naturalized as an Indonesian citizen because of his age. Furthermore, Obama supporters insist his Indonesian citizenship is irrelevant to his allegience to the United States as a natural born citizen of the United States.

Obama was not adopted in Indonesia. He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii in 1967. When the Soetoro adoption was finalized in 1967, Obama's original long form birth certificate was sealed by order of the Court and archived by the Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH). A sealed vital record is null and void for all future legal or administrative proceedings. In addition to sealing Obama's original long form birth certificate, the Court ordered a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) created and filed by the registrar of HDOH. Lolo Soetoro was listed as the paternal parent for Barry Soetoro for a live birth on August 4, 1961, Honolulu, HI and filed on August 8, 1961.....

[ABrit]

Or. The Nanny and the fake Grandma?

[Fred Nerks]

So where did SAD and zero live?

WHEN?

You would know by now that the Dunhams, Madelyn and Stanley Armour, were apparently zero's guardians after he returned from Indonesia unaccompanied. He supposedly lived with Stanley Ann's parents, and when Stanley Ann and Lolo Soetoro lodged their combined 1973 tax return in Hawaii, they did not claim zero as a dependant...so I imagine he was living with his guardians for the want of better information.

I really don't want to do a rehash of stuff that has been covered repeatedly. If Martha Trowbridge has your attention, run with it. The Bari Shabazz story has been DEBUNKED. Some Jamaican convert to NOI changed his name and that was it. Check out his birthdate.

[Fred Nerks]

If you mean Stanley Ann Dunham was nothing but a Nanny, that’s very likely. If you mean that Madelyn Dunham was a fake grandma, that’s also very likely. But the Dunhams, Madelyn and Stanley Armour were very likely the GUARDIANS of zero after his unaccompanied return from Indonesia.

[4Zoltan]

Thanks, I’ll check it out. I was impressed with her research on the codes on the LFBC.

[ABrit]

“The Bari Shabazz story has been DEBUNKED. Some Jamaican convert to NOI changed his name and that was it. Check out his birthdate.”

Ooh. A debunking! Could I have a link please?

[ABrit]

“...so I imagine he was living with his guardians for the want of better information”

Nothing factual then?

[Fred Nerks]

I posted the link to the Social Security docs which shows the name-change and his birthdate.

[Fred Nerks]

Nothing factual then?

What are you looking for? Children are not listed in directories, as far as I can see. He went to school as Barry Obama in Hawaii, one imagines he lived with adults. Stanley Ann Dunham arrived with Maya in Hawaii about a year after zero did, and he did not live with Lolo and SAD, or they would have claimed him as a dependant on their combined 1973 tax return.

But, as you maintain that all images of zero are fakes, all the images I have posted won't mean much to you.

[Ladysforest]

Thanks - it was interesting to me, so I found it enjoyable.

[4Zoltan]

Have you had any luck with obtaining the Hawaiian codes?

[ABrit]

http://www.imagesaving.com/images/enhancedbu.jpg

That “Strike” photo looks like its got an inflated and blacked “Obama” head on it. Certainly he looks “heavy” around the hips and upper legs.

Not like the lighter skinned boy with the skinny arms and legs, longer thinner face shown in the link below.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ph6zHAIRw9M/SPxEiZzQIuI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/AU1N5XNsrfk/s400/Barack+Obama+playing+baseball+circa+the+Sixties.jpg

[edge919]

That’s the ruling in Vance v. Terrazas. But 349(a)(1) says that a child who is naturalized by a parent cannot lose their US Citizenship unless they do not reestablish US residency by the age of twenty-five. Obama moved back to the US permanently in 1971 at the age of ten. So he never loss his citizenship.

Technically, there's no proof Obama ever had U.S. citizenship to lose in Indonesia. And also, the law doesn't address children whose citizenship is affected by adoption, especially in countries where dual citizenship is not allowed.

[Fred Nerks]

You’re just playing games with me, you posted the Bari Shabazz ‘classmates’ entry and it was made clear to you throughout that thread where that name came from, and where that person came from, and when his birthdate was.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2980093/posts

Meanwhile, you show me an image of a five year old zero with a bat and tell me it’s got to be a fake because he doesn’t look like the ten year old who is photographed at Punahou. I just don’t see the point.

[4Zoltan]

“And also, the law doesn’t address children whose citizenship is affected by adoption, especially in countries where dual citizenship is not allowed.”

Not true. The law specifies how someone can lose their US citzenship and adoption by a foreign national is not on the list. Therefore a child adopted by a foreign national does not automatically lose their US citizenship. How that might impact their status with the adopting parents home country is immaterial to US law unless there is a separate treaty with that country.

If Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, then an adopted US citizen child would have to undergo naturalization in Indonesia if his parents wanted him to have Indonesian citizenship and he would come under 349(a)(1).

[Ladysforest]

No, I can’t think of any way short of going to HI to look. But I did speak with someone who indicated they tried that, and they couldn’t find a copy at the State Archive. And yes, it was a very trustworthy someone that we have all heard about.

I did have one of the thirty or so State Archivists that I previously contacted (while looking for a copy of the FEDERAL VSIM) mention a STATE code manual. That was before I got the revised 61 federal VSIM. That and the fact that the federal VISM never mentioned using pre-penciled codes as a guide, nor was the fathers occupation/business mentioned - points clearly to the use of a state coding manual being used to collect specific stats that were used at the state level. Perhaps for state or county aid.

[ABrit]

“You’re just playing games with me, you posted the Bari Shabazz ‘classmates’ entry and it was made clear to you throughout that thread where that name came from, and where that person came from, and when his birthdate was.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focusf-bloggers/2980093/posts

Yes. No one has disputed a birth certificate shows a person born Barrington Hugh Smith, Kingston, Jamaica, Ocober 28, 1959. Social Security document shows he changed his name in New York on April 9, 1980 to Bari Malik Shabazz. Makes perfect sense to me. If the father was Malcolm X, whose Mum was West Indian. Full story set out here:

Bari M. Shabazz, fugitive from Hawaiian justice, had to "die" so Barack Obama could run by Israel InsiderNov 9, 2011

Also here:

Barack Obama: The Invisible Man | Black Quill and Ink

“Meanwhile, you show me an image of a five year old zero with a bat and tell me it’s got to be a fake because he doesn’t look like the ten year old who is photographed at Punahou. I just don’t see the point.”

For someone as sharp as yourself you are being remarkably obtuse.

This boy

Is not IMHO the same person as this boy:

It's the legs. Dark Obama has much heavier legs. Light and pResidente have skinny legs. Also the skin colour is wrong. In addition, I think the baseball one has Obama's head stuck on a Hawaii Uni wearing torso.

Just my opinion.

[Plummz]

do you realize that Hawaii statute allows the HDOH to totally fabricate a birth certificate if law enforcement claims the registrant needs a fictitious birth certificate in order to be safe?

This is fascinating. May explain why Barry is reestablishing Hawaii residence. What statute is this, exactly?

[butterdezillion]

HRS 338-17.7. It can be seen at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0007.htm .

Or heck, I’ll just C&P it here so everybody can see the whole thing without clicking anywhere else:

§338-17.7 Establishment of new certificates of birth, when. (a) The department of health shall establish, in the following circumstances, a new certificate of birth for a person born in this State who already has a birth certificate filed with the department and who is referred to below as the “birth registrant”:
(1) Upon receipt of an affidavit of paternity, a court order establishing paternity, or a certificate of marriage establishing the marriage of the natural parents to each other, together with a request from the birth registrant, or the birth registrant’s parent or other person having legal custody of the birth registrant, that a new birth certificate be prepared because previously recorded information has been altered pursuant to law;

(2) Upon receipt of a certified copy of a final order, judgment, or decree of a court of competent jurisdiction that determined the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship between a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file and the birth registrant;

(3) Upon receipt of a certified copy of a final adoption decree, or of an abstract of the decree, pursuant to sections 338-20 and 578-14;

(4) Upon receipt of an affidavit of a physician that the physician has examined the birth registrant and has determined the following:

(A) The birth registrant’s sex designation was entered incorrectly on the birth registrant’s birth certificate; or
(B) The birth registrant has had a sex change operation and the sex designation on the birth registrant’s birth certificate is no longer correct; provided that the director of health may further investigate and require additional information that the director deems necessary; or
(5) Upon request of a law enforcement agency certifying that a new birth certificate showing different information would provide for the safety of the birth registrant; provided that the new birth certificate shall contain information requested by the law enforcement agency, shall be assigned a new number and filed accordingly, and shall not substitute for the birth registrant’s original birth certificate, which shall remain in place.

(b) When a new certificate of birth is established under this section, it shall be substituted for the original certificate of birth. Thereafter, the original certificate and the evidence supporting the preparation of the new certificate shall be sealed and filed. Such sealed document shall be opened only by an order of a court of record. [L 1973, c 39, §1; am L 1975, c 66, §2(3); am L 1979, c 130, §1 and c 203, §1; am L 1982, c 4, §1; am L 1983, c 65, §1; am L 1984, c 167, §1; am L 1993, c 131, §2]

Rules of Court

Adoption, new birth certificate, see HFCR rule 112.

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[butterdezillion]

Notice that this is only supposed to be allowable for somebody born in Hawaii. Alvin Onaka could not certify that Obama was born in Hawaii, which means that Obama is not supposed to be eligible to have this done for him. That is most probably why the interim HDOH Director, Neal Palafox, was forced to resign - both he and Onaka probably refused to create a new BC for Obama, since it is not legally presumed that he was born in Hawaii. This is also probably why both the certifying elements from Alvin Onaka have “red flag” in them: the TXE in the certifying statement and the smiley face in Onaka’s signature.

The BC#’s of at least 4 Aug 1961 births being switched around is the evidence that they did this. And nobody can tell me that Virginia Sunahara, who died the day after she was born, needed a new BC# in order to protect herself.

The person Virginia’s memory needed to be protected from is the wolf-in-sheep’s-clothes who uses our White House for his lair.

[Graewoulf]

Arrogant Communist Tyrant Hussein Obama Second Reich Information File.