Posted on 01/19/2013 9:23:55 AM PST by ABrit
.....During the 2008 campaign, Obama admitted Lolo Soetoro was his step-father and he was in Indonesia in 1968 attending elementary school. Lolo Soetoro and Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham-Soetoro, were married in Hawaii in 1965. Obama campaign supporters have consistently and repeatedly insisted Indonesian Law would not allow Obama to be adopted by Lolo Soetoro and he could not be naturalized as an Indonesian citizen because of his age. Furthermore, Obama supporters insist his Indonesian citizenship is irrelevant to his allegience to the United States as a natural born citizen of the United States.
Obama was not adopted in Indonesia. He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii in 1967. When the Soetoro adoption was finalized in 1967, Obama's original long form birth certificate was sealed by order of the Court and archived by the Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH). A sealed vital record is null and void for all future legal or administrative proceedings. In addition to sealing Obama's original long form birth certificate, the Court ordered a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) created and filed by the registrar of HDOH. Lolo Soetoro was listed as the paternal parent for Barry Soetoro for a live birth on August 4, 1961, Honolulu, HI and filed on August 8, 1961.....
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Someone should hire you to think for them. :)
(blush) You’re too kind.
My kids would like to hire me to NOT think. lol
me too.
(A) The "public" knows nothing and cares less, which should keep this fellow in Public Housing forever.
(B) Not true.
(C)Occidental says otherwise
(D)Unsubtantiated
(E)Barry's statements are all over the map. Find out why he was asked of the Illinois Bar, that might be a more rewarding line of inquiry.
We are using this stuff as a distraction, which makes Team Obama very happy. OK, The guy is a fake. So what? In the first place, no matter what we think, in the matter of Natural Born Citizenship, it's what the SCOTUS thinks that counts. They ain't talkin'. Ditto the "born in Hawaii" thing. We can't prove he wasn't, and he can't prove he was. We have the evidence. Same with the Draft Card thing and the SS Card thing. Fakes. Forgeries. So what? There is nowhere to bring it.
Which makes all of this is nothing more than interesting gossip. For example, Barry's mentor at Occidental was a queer activist, communist agitator who was a tight pal of (surprise, surprise) Bill Ayers. So, did the gay prof send Barry to NYC to hook up with Ayers, who had (has) very tight connections with Columbia University?
I dunno. Next time Barry and I are shooting hoops or watching ESPN, I'll ask the SOB. Forget this crap. Work to influence your town. Communicate with your elected Republican reps, if you have any and while there still is another party, to work on saving the country.
The Republic has entered its post-constitutional phase. Perhaps it can be saved. Perhaps not.
Chemistry lesson for modern people: Melanin is apparently closely related to Teflon. Therefore, nothing critical one can say about a person of any skin-color darker than one's own can stick, or take effect. You have lived through a successful anti-constitutional coup. Deal with it. Instead of dwelling on the obvious crimes of the past, we have to work out what the future is going to be like.
“Date Filed” indicates a court adjudication has taken place. The registrar has made a filing of vital statistics as the Court order dictates.
“Date Accepted” indicates the registrar has accepted the affidavits of the mother, delivery doctor, and hospital admin as true and correct vital statistic information.
If Obama’s vital statistic record had not been adjudicated in Court post-1961, his COLB would have “Date Accepted” on it.
Obama’s COLB is the final word on Obama’s live birth event because all of the witnesses are dead or cannot make a reliable recollection of the the event in present time. The OLFBC is sealed and archived by Court order and cannot be used in any Court or administrative hearing for any reason.
The reason so many lawyers mock and belittle eligibility lawsuits concerning Obama’s BC is because they know Obama’s COLB is the final word on Obama’s live birth event. If you want to scare an Obot, then sue for Obama’s immigration records.
EVERY birth record has a “date filed”. Are you saying that EVERY birth record thus indicates that a court adjudication has taken place?
For instance, Danae’s COLB said “date filed”. Are you saying that a court had to decide her birth facts? Did the court decide Stig Waidelich’s birth facts, and Virginia Sunahara’s?
You’re making this claim but it defies what we can observe. The court did not have to determine the birth facts for Sunahara, who died one day after her birth. Where are you getting this claim from? How do you substantiate it, especially in view of what we can see on these other BC’s?
If we have no rule of law, we have no future. It’s that simple. No law that is made even matters. All that matters is that the communist-Islamist alliance has taken over the US and through that will take over the world.
At this point the people who need to resist this alliance have to be woken up, or this country will fade into sharia and oblivion without even a fight. They need to know who Obama is and who owns him - and how that alliance has played EVERYBODY and taken the whole system hostage. They need to know we can’t get absorbed in “politics”. This isn’t about politics at all; it’s about the survival of the country. 2008 and 2012 were a coup by a foreign enemy combatant who with help from world communists and Islamists has infiltrated the democratic party, threatened the entire media and judges, armed our enemies, and seeks to take away America’s economic freedom, prosperity, government accountability, and Constitution.
They need to know why our Congress-critters won’t fight, so they know it is up to us to do it. They need to know how far the enemy has gotten in arming, empowering, AND LETTING INTO THE COUNTRY UNCHECKED the enemies who have sworn to destroy us. They need to see that the coup they were able to accomplish is the result of decades of communists within our society deliberately and systematically DEMORALIZING us.
In short, the people of this country need to wake the heck up, or we will all die in our sleep with the boa squeezing our eyeballs out.
“If you want to scare an Obot, then sue for Obama’s immigration records.”
I’ve noticed that the Fogbowers haven’t attacked you here on Free Republic. They say when you receive flak you must be over the target. But the flak you’ve received here is from people who want you to show your documentation - not from the Fogbow folks. If what you are saying is correct, then why aren’t those people acting scared when you mention the immigration records?
I and others have asked you whether the Certificate of Naturalization that you talk about is listed in a public index/listing. You didn’t answer. I asked you to tell me how to get access to a public listing with Obama’s name if it exists, and you won’t tell me - either publicly or privately.
On here you talk about how Obama could authorize the release of his CON, but then he could also authorize the release of his real BC; it’s not gonna happen. People have already filed suits to try to get at his passport records - but nobody has standing to see them. And they’ve sued to see his mother’s passport records, and we’re told that her records were destroyed (even though none of the required paper trail for such a records disposition change and destruction can be found either).
What we have, legally, is a certification that Onaka cannot verify any birth facts for Obama. That flies in the face of what you’re saying. You haven’t responded to this. Why won’t Onaka verify Obama’s birth facts?
Dr. Onaka is alive and well, as far as I know, and available to be subpoenaed for testimony before a judge or a committee of Congress at any time. He can also be deposed.
He is a named co-defendant in Taitz v MDPEC so if Judge Wingate denies the defense Motion for Judgement on the Pleadings, we may all get to hear from Dr. Onaka someday.
If young Barry were really adopted by Soetoro, his original BC (should such exist) SHOULD HAVE BEEN SEALED. That is there SHOULD be no available "Obama" BC in the archives, unless unsealed by court order. Thus, if there were a readily available BC, it should have read "Soetoro." If I am on the right track, it only adds to the COLB/BC confusion. It all might be speedily resolved by Team Obama releasing what they received from Hawaii and holding it up next to that purports to be the BC. That's never going to happen, making it painfully obvious that Team Obama used digital data from the HIDOH do make a rather attractive DIY BC.
As you know, I always get rather bored talking about the BC, anyway. A Hawaiian Birth Certificate is nowhere near as trustworthy a document as a Honolulu dog license. The island state is awash with Asians (particularly Chinese, Samoans, and Filipinos who got after-the-fact BC's by working the "Home Birth" scam. This was well known even before Sheriff Joe's guys made it official. Also, as Hillary might say, "What's the bloody difference? If he is not an NBC, why torture ourselves?"
On the issue of citizenship: young Barry would have had, upon reaching his majority, the choice of Kenyan, British, Indonesian, or American citizenship. So, what did he actually do? Beats me. Since by then he had been back living with Grandma and Granpa, the answer could well be, "Nothing." If Obama Sr. is the father, Barry's NBC is in question because the charming Kenyan bigamist was among other things, NOT an American Citizen.
So, this is a case for the SCOTUS. What is a Natural Born Citizen? Pray tell us, O Black-Robed Constitutional Arbiters.
The NBC issue is for the Supreme Court. I agree.
The crimes committed are an issue for the criminal justice system, which needs to deal with ALL who covered up for this mess.
The media is an issue for the people and all the tar and feathers they can muster up.
The BC by itself is boring. Just like Al Capone’s tax evasion was boring. It’s the other stuff that’s been done to try to keep the BC issue from being resolved, that makes this so critical - as well as the all-out assault on this country that this cover-up has enabled. You and I both know that this was a coup, and as long as the public “Alinskies” anybody who tells the truth, this country is at the mercy of whatever crooks want to take us for a ride.
And by “ride” I mean the kind of crap that happens in communist, fascist, and Islamist nations, because those are the people who have pulled off this coup in America.
Obama was in the legal custody of Catholic Soc Serv and the physical custody Madelyn Payne from 1971 to 1979. Stanley Ann and Lolo were stripped of their parental rights until 1979, Obama’s 18th Bday. Stanley Ann and Lolo divorced in 1981 and claimed Obama as an adult dependent upon them for education expense.
Is this another one of these “taking both sides” posts?? If he’s a named co-defendant, why isn’t he there already? He shouldn’t have to be subpoenaed. We already know Hawaii like to ignore subpoeanas anyway.
Even if those things happened, none of that would change the birth certificate. For instance, Madelyn Payne was not changed to the mother on the BC because she had custody.
If the BC that claimed BHO as the father, Honolulu as the city, Oahu as the island, Aug 4, 1961 as the date, male as the gender, and Stanley Ann Dunham as the mother was legally valid - determined by a court in 1971, as you say - then Onaka would have had to verify those things. Why didn’t he?
And how would we know if those things had really happened? What evidence is there for those things?
(B) Not true.
(C)Occidental says otherwise
(D)Unsubtantiated
You have documents to prove that?
Taitz v MDPEC is in its pre-trial motion phase. Only attorneys and the judge have been “there.”
First of all, it might help you to understand that I ignore all the forgeries, our research followed the people. The documents are untrustworthy.
What we know is that Stanley Ann Dunham wasn't in Hawaii until we see her with a three year old at the zoo. The student enrolled for the Fall of 1960 at the U of HI was probably named S ANN OBAMA shown in the Polk, living at the birth announcement address. S. ANN OBAMA has been melded with STANLEY ANN DUNHAM to create a COMPOSITE.
S ANN OBAMA shows up in Seattle as ANNA OBAMA in the directory for 1961-1962 - and Mary babysat her child in January 1961. Stanley Ann Dunham obtained custody of an unidentifed child (zero) through her fantasy divorce from the kenyan student, whose 'wife' left little Barack Hussein Obama 11 behind when she moved to the Philippines, and that same boy, born in Hawaii in January, ended up in Kenya with Ruth and his father. There couldn't be two Barack Hussein Obama 11 so when we were shown photographs of him, they named him David.
Malik says he played with 'BARACK' when they were both children, (whilst living with Ruth and his father in Nairobi,) Malik says 'Barack taught school in Uganda' - Clan members describe seeing 'Barack' at the funeral of his father in 1982.
Barack Hussein Obama 11 had a life after he left the US in 1964, and that life didn't include becoming President. Isn't anyone the slightest bit interested in who he is and where he might be now?
P.S. I remain intruiged that no one questions why, if zero was adopted in Hawaii (before moving to Indonesia) if his stepfather's name was Soetoro, how did his name become SOEBARKAH?
Much of what you write is probably correct, but the foundation, if based on lies and forgeries is worthless. Discussing if zero is a natural-born citizen is a waste of time imo...not while you don't know who his parents were or where he was born.
Follow the research from THE DAILY PEN. That allows you to follow Virginia Sunahara from the Wahiawa Hospital to Kapiolani, where the examining doctor attended her before she died. The research shows the movements of that child and attributes the movement to zero. Read it carefully, it's fairly obvious why that might be imo.
When Mark supplied the above photograph, he identified the dark boy as himself and the younger child as 'David'. However, the child Ruth is holding is MARK. The photograph dates from around 1966 and the child who reaches her waist is five or six year of age.
Zero attended school in Hawaii as Barry Obama for a period in 1969, and then later under the same name from 1971 when he attended Mabel Hefty's Grade Five.
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