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This could be in the religious section, but it applies more broadly.

While many Muslims I have met are nice people, and some have been exceptionally kind, and I have friendly neighbors of commendable morality (in contrast to many of the natives in the the same inner city), who seem to want freedom from Taliban types, the problem is that fundamentally their source of faith exhorts and fosters religious violence. And which many are ignorant of.

There is no "New Covenant" in Islam (and in the OT, unlike in Islam, wars of conquest were preceded by overt supernatural manifestations confirmatory of Divine sanction), and if anything resembled that it was in Muhammad's preMedinic days when he was a minority in Mecca (where he once spoke against religious oppression).

But as in cults, his visions accommodated his needs and desires.

It is also believable that he could not read, which would explain his skewed versions of Biblical stories which he alludes to while at one time affirming the veracity of the Bible. He likely received some beliefs from illiterate Catholic traders. How else could he have the idea that the Trinity was composed of God, Jesus and Mary?

As Islam is supposed to be a successor to Christianity, it depends upon the Bible, and these contradictions required the charge that the Bible was changed in the places where the Qur'an disagrees with it, such as Jesus being the Son of God and who died for our sins and rose from the dead.

However, this would entail far more than a few changes (and if the Catholic changed the Bible to support doctrine then I can think of many more things they could have easily changed in that interest), but essentially requires rewriting of the NT and substantial changes to the Old.

1 posted on 01/13/2013 5:50:30 PM PST by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; ...

Article from Beggars All on Islam.

Many of the contradictions between the Qur’an and the Bible can be seen here. http://www.peacebyjesus.net/jesus.vs.muhammad.html

See also Bible versus Qur’an: http://www.conservapedia.com/The_Bible_versus_the_Qur%27an


2 posted on 01/13/2013 5:55:31 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Short answer" NO!

"Take the jihad and killing out of Islam and you cut its head off!"

(Loosely quoted from the Blind Imam)



Keep Faith with the Fallen of Benghazi! Let the Obama Regime, for once, tell the Truth!

Fiat Justitia, Ruat Coelum!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

3 posted on 01/13/2013 6:03:25 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: daniel1212

Islam demands that each faithful member of the ummah wage jihad against the infidel. So, the short answer to the title question is: NO.


4 posted on 01/13/2013 6:16:25 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: daniel1212

no. next question.


5 posted on 01/13/2013 9:38:31 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: daniel1212; Natural Law; muawiyah; The_Reader_David
Sorry, your post's utter ignorance about Islam is incredible

There IS a "New Covenant" in Islam and those are the Surahs -- they hold to the OT and they hold to the NT while they consider that the NT is corrupted. They also hold to sola scriptura (at least the Sunnah who comprise 80% of Moslems)

Finally, "illiterate Catholic traders"? your posts are error bound always -- the region of Mecca was nearly conquered by Ethiopians and the regions to the south were Jewish kingdoms like the Himyarite kingdom -- while our Ethiopian brethren are part of the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church, they are and were not "Catholic" in the sense you want to make of Roman Catholic and they were not traders

There were Syriac missionaries in the region of Mecca and Madinah because there were Jews there -- and because this was outside the Roman Empire, these were also primarily Arian and Gnostic -- the Hejaz and Nejd were not Roman otherwise they would have been in orthodoxy, they were not in the Axumite sphere of influence or they would be Ethiopic/Coptic, and they were not in the Persian lands or they would have been Assyrian

They fel between these 3 empires and were a free for all -- with a lot of the various sects that were banned in these 3 empires -- like Manichaens, Mandaens, Gnostics, Arians etc.

6 posted on 01/13/2013 11:51:22 PM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: daniel1212; Natural Law; muawiyah; The_Reader_David
Wrong --> There IS a "New Covenant" in Islam and those are the Surahs -- they hold to the OT and they hold to the NT while they consider that the NT is corrupted. They also hold to sola scriptura (at least the Sunnah who comprise 80% of Moslems)

Finally, "illiterate Catholic traders"? do read a little bit -- the region of Mecca was nearly conquered by Ethiopians and the regions to the south were Jewish kingdoms like the Himyarite kingdom -- while our Ethiopian brethren are part of the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church, they are and were not "Catholic" in the sense you want to make of Roman Catholic and they were not traders

There were Syriac missionaries in the region of Mecca and Madinah because there were Jews there -- and because this was outside the Roman Empire, these were also primarily Arian and Gnostic -- the Hejaz and Nejd were not Roman otherwise they would have been in orthodoxy, they were not in the Axumite sphere of influence or they would be Ethiopic/Coptic, and they were not in the Persian lands or they would have been Assyrian

They fel between these 3 empires and were a free for all -- with a lot of the various sects that were banned in these 3 empires -- like Manichaens, Mandaens, Gnostics, Arians etc.

7 posted on 01/13/2013 11:52:37 PM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: daniel1212; Natural Law; muawiyah; The_Reader_David
daniel : if the Catholic changed the Bible to support doctrine

Strangely, that is exactly the same accusation made by Moslems -- are you holding to their philosophy now?

8 posted on 01/13/2013 11:53:39 PM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: daniel1212; Natural Law; The_Reader_David

As long as folks post things like Daniel “ if the Catholic changed the Bible to support doctrine “ then there will be these converts to Islam...


9 posted on 01/13/2013 11:55:25 PM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: daniel1212; Natural Law; The_Reader_David
Islam holds to strict monotheism and, just like Daniel, the Moslems too say that the Catholic changed the Bible to support doctrine of the Trinity). Lots of similarities around the name Daneel/دانيال -
10 posted on 01/14/2013 12:11:04 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: daniel1212
Can doctrinal Islam not always seek to "Conquer the world"??

Can ANY religion???

11 posted on 01/14/2013 4:21:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
How else could he have the idea that the Trinity was composed of God, Jesus and Mary?

I understand from missionaries in muslim lands today, that that is still the case.

16 posted on 01/14/2013 9:39:57 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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