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Top Iowa Conservative: The Republican Civil War has already started 
Business Insider ^ | |Nov. 7, 2012, 10:33 AM | Grace Wyler

Posted on 11/07/2012 9:40:48 PM PST by Kevmo

"He [Romney] killed us all over the country. Look at [same-sex] marriage. We've never lost the issue before, until it shared a ballot with Romney then we lost it four times on one day. Heck, we even won marriage in California on Election Day 2008 for goodness sake.

There will never be another establishment candidate like that. Jeb Bush, Chris Christie...those people will never happen. Heck, I think Christie will be driven out of the GOP and be the next Charlie Crist. Mitt just killed Republicans in my home state. People are angry, especially because Matt Drudge and Karl Rove told us it was all in the bag all along, after they got done smearing conservatives in the primary and dumping on Todd Akin.

It's on like Donkey Kong."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/deace-gop-romney-obama-2012-11#ixzz2Bben4Km6

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To: ansel12

The proposed solution from these RINOs here can be boiled down to, “The Democrats keep winning, so if we just change all our positions to be the same as the Democrats’, we will win too!”

And in so doing they destroy the very purpose of elections.


81 posted on 11/07/2012 11:59:17 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Thane_Banquo

I think that you nailed it, they look at the democrats winning an election, and they don’t ask what techniques and methods that they need to copy or look at, no, instead they want to copy their campaign issues.


82 posted on 11/08/2012 12:03:15 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: rfp1234

The problem is that republicans take conservatives for granted. It’s cost them two elections and counting.


83 posted on 11/08/2012 12:06:23 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Kevmo

“So, Romney got 6M votes LESS than McLame did, in a poor economy”

Pardon me if this has already been posted to you, but all of 2012 votes are not counted. Absentee, military, provisional. . . I don’t know what all. They should go up significantly (for both candidates) in the next couple of weeks.


84 posted on 11/08/2012 12:09:31 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“Look at Romney’s turnout. He failed to get the same people who voted for John McCain to vote for him.”

Sorry to repeat, but all ballots have not been counted yet. Romney should exceed McCain when everything is counted up.


85 posted on 11/08/2012 12:11:15 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: GeronL

You have to build coalitions to win national elections. Start by embracing the libertarians and projecting an image that’s more inclusive and mainstream.

George W Bush did it in 2000.


86 posted on 11/08/2012 12:11:43 AM PST by jesda
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To: rfp1234
The low-information voters are susceptible to name recognition. McCain was a well known public figure for several years before the 2008 cycle. Romney was not, outside of MA and SLC. That was due to his lower-key personality and greater humility, compared to camera-hog McCain.

It is laughable to call a human who is currently in the process of becoming a God, humble (Mitt believes that is happening). A man with no known reason for running for office, who wants to be president, yet seems to have no political reasons for it, just ego.

The Romney dynasty is pretty well known, dad was a 2 time gov and presidential candidate, mom ran for the senate, Mitt was a minor celebrity all of his life, even as a teen, in multiple states.

Mitt was active in politics and campaigns all of his life, ran against Ted Kennedy in a nationally covered race, the Olympics, a high profile governor, record spending while campaigning in 2008 and losing to the unknown Huckabee.

Mitt has been running for president for 7 years, he is pretty well known.

87 posted on 11/08/2012 12:16:01 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Persevero

Bush Jr had 62 in 2006. So, no, he won’t. Run a conservative nex time, or conservatives sit out and you lose. Rinse repeat.


88 posted on 11/08/2012 12:25:03 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: jesda

We did that with Romney and it failed. Hard.


89 posted on 11/08/2012 12:26:29 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: ansel12

You seem pretty clueless, like you didn’t read the analogy.


90 posted on 11/08/2012 12:29:20 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

I am tired, and your formatting and so far lack of helping to clarify what you mean by big tent, doesn’t help.


91 posted on 11/08/2012 12:41:39 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: entropy12

In Michigan, it was Democrats. Anyone can vote in our primary and this is what normally happens.

I’ve heard from family that unions spread the word about who to vote for in the Republican primary.

Ask the state GOP to close the primary and you hear crickets.


92 posted on 11/08/2012 12:45:53 AM PST by Mrs. P (Figures can lie, and liars can figure.)
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To: GeronL

I blame those individuals who didn’t vote - the MILLIONS who managed to vote for McCain/Palin but couldn’t be bothered with the likes of Romney/Ryan.

Look, Romney was never my guy, but as a Tea Party libertarian I swallowed hard and voted, just like every Tea Party friend and relative I know of. Removing the Poseur was the imperative eclipsing everything else.

Who didn’t vote? You tell me. Were they witch burning shiite bible thumpers or were they not? And just who are these “liberaltarians” you are raving on about? I think they are creatures of your imagination. Perhaps your “mortal enemies” are in your mind.


93 posted on 11/08/2012 1:02:05 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Kevmo
The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first.

On this point you have it exactly wrong. The fiscon issues are the big ones.

Socons are self-centered parasites that would rather see the host die than stop sucking blood.

94 posted on 11/08/2012 1:06:08 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: GeronL
Wow, blame the libertarians for the Republicans that can't field anything better than Romney (R)INO and pass him off as decent candidate.

How about we just cut to the chase.... Since the republicans (present ruling class) have betrayed everyone outside DC how does that translate into a libertarian enemy of conservative?

The issue is not the libertarians the issue is the republican party that is absolutely no different than the democrat party, and neither of them have a place in their platform for you,I or anyone other than the sycophantic masses who know,
the golden rule,
Those that have the gold, rule.
and to them we are insignificant to the grand scheme of things.

Any one could see from before the first debate that the clowns who ordain the candidates that there was no real candidate that was going to be worth voting for...

Hell, even this site was dead set against the thought of voting for Romney.. not finding fault or disagreeing, just a matter of fact.. I have been voting for the last 40 years and it is the same crap every time with one exception, Reagan... but the sh!t candidates that was given to us to vote for was either was so weak they had zero chance of any thing or wholly unelectable, (see McCain).

The real issue is "WE" do not hold these elected officials accountable.

The Constitution provides a remedy for every ill this country is suffering, yet we just sit back and blame everyone else for our own failing....

I was lambasted for posting "I will never vote for another RINO again".

So, my question to you is WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR SUCH A CRAPPY CANDIDATE, and expect anything other than a loss?

The other thought is why aren't the republican party screaming from the rafters about the election fraud? Perhaps they are complicit in the debasing of this country?

Wake up and smell the tyranny from our rulers, or just go back to blaming everyone but the guy in the mirror....

95 posted on 11/08/2012 1:13:26 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: Kevmo; All

Agreed, some serious changes are needed in GOP primary process. This one was too long, too many debates, too many contenders, too divisive. Obama ran unopposed, a huge advantage.


96 posted on 11/08/2012 1:44:10 AM PST by entropy12 (Ready for 3 SCOTUS appointments like Kagan, Sotomayor & Ginsburg? Free abortion on demand is here)
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To: John Valentine

Bravo! I can’t believe fewer GOP voters showed up than for McCain in 2008. Now live with the radical left wing Obama and his appointments galore for 4 more years. The judiciary he appoints will last 30+ years.


97 posted on 11/08/2012 1:47:37 AM PST by entropy12 (Ready for 3 SCOTUS appointments like Kagan, Sotomayor & Ginsburg? Free abortion on demand is here)
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To: GeronL

Republicans are losers. Conservatives need to either take the party over by insisting that no leadership positions be allowed to those whose states haven’t gone Republican in three of the last four elections. If we can’t take over the party, then conservatives should start their own. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

As for Jeb Bush and Chris Christie, they better forget any thoughts of a GOP run for president. They couldn’t be elected dog catcher in most Red States.


98 posted on 11/08/2012 4:06:13 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: GeronL

If the GOP can’t court Libertarians with real smaller government, not the phony usually-not-growing-quite-as-fast-but-sometimes-faster government they always produce, they’ll never win again.


99 posted on 11/08/2012 4:22:08 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: GeronL

you, sir, are an idiot...

wanna know why the party is deeply divided?

because people like you choose to toss aside those that are your natural allies, those that are more constitutionally minded then yourself, and then rant when they leave in droves and you lose an election...


100 posted on 11/08/2012 4:22:33 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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