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1 posted on 09/18/2012 10:14:23 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

The unions are NOT going to go along with this. Private and charter schools will win!


2 posted on 09/18/2012 10:19:40 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Wealth = Net Worth ///// Income = Net Work)
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To: grundle

Thems can, does.
Thems cain’t, teach.


3 posted on 09/18/2012 10:21:34 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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Everything I learned about math (beyond addition/subtraction/etc...) I either learned from my Dad, a classmate, or on my own. A 10th grade 'educator' screwed me up on trig so bad, it took an entire summer to figure it out.

/johnny

4 posted on 09/18/2012 10:21:39 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: grundle
Teaching Math In 1950:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

Teaching Math In 1960:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

Teaching Math In 1970:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

Teaching Math In 1980:
A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20 Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

Teaching Math In 1990:
A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? **Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers.)

Teaching Math In 2005:
Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100. El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas se puede comprar?

http://dagnygromer.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/the-evolution-of-teaching-math-1950s-to-today/

7 posted on 09/18/2012 10:27:18 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: grundle
Public schools teach math and science much better when the teachers DON’T have a degree in education

Of course. A degree in education says, "I didn't have the brains or skill for a real degree."

I once looked into getting certified to teach. My Ph.D. in physics, bachelor's in math, and several years of teaching in college wouldn't save me from having to pay for classes like "Philosophy of Education" and "History of Education."

9 posted on 09/18/2012 10:32:08 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: grundle
Education majors are not the brightest.

In fact, they are at the bottom of the degree field.

10 posted on 09/18/2012 10:32:24 AM PDT by SC DOC
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Definitely. The education major should be abolished. I took some of their required classes for the education major-—and they are a complete waste of time which made me switch my major—because I couldn’t stand to waste my time when there were so many courses where I could actually “learn” something.

Actually, DOE should be eliminated and all parents should again be the primary educators of their own children—with tutorial type help, from people with the same moral principles so Virtue is once again instilled into children.

No one was more educated than Abe Lincoln who only stepped into a classroom for a couple of months. All children used to go to college by 14 or so-—because they were actually taught knowledge at age 7 through 12-—and most people who left school like Mark Twain by 13 were WAY smarter than college graduates today.

Why? Because the socialist Dewey destroyed “knowledge” with his social sciences and brainwashing/conditioning curricula when he kicked out Classical knowledge and Moral Absolutes (God)——to foster infantilism and dependence and servitude and immorality.

People not in the Prussian system of “forced group think” become independent, strong individuals who can withstand the “group” thought and think independently-—like men used to in the cases of Jefferson and Adams and Hayek. (John Taylor Gatto).

Our children are being conditioned to be dependents-—slaves of the state—which is what John Stuart Mill said would be the result of State run educational systems. He is correct, as the OWS and ACORN thugs prove. We have ignorant zombies coming out of schools now-—who KNOW EVERYTHING, yet know NOTHING—of importance, except how to put a condom on a cucumber and masturbate in groups and with themselves—(and it is “fun”). They reject the wisdom of the ages-—like Hayek, Locke, Milton, Shakespeare, Aquinas, etc, because they are incapable of understanding them.


14 posted on 09/18/2012 10:38:25 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: grundle

A degree in ejookayshun is totally worthless.


15 posted on 09/18/2012 10:40:12 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: grundle

I have many friends with engineering degrees, well qualified to teach math and sciences, who were rebuffed by schools when they applied for a teaching position.


16 posted on 09/18/2012 10:40:40 AM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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“Public schools teach math and science much better when the teachers DON’T have a degree in education”

Of course they don’t...because the “teacher factories” are nothing more than assembly line factories. The end product, their graduates only have to comply with their formulas listed in text books—they’ve never been presented with situations to resolve real world problems. Never had to discover innovations to survive.

Never had to be concern with an outcome from their own decisions. If they’re not successful in their endeavors, some kid flunks out, they go on their merry way. Screw up in the business world, you could sink an entire operation. No pressure, no problems.

You’re only going to get some regurgitated, pre fabbed process from a “teachers’ factory” reinforced by people who have no world experience in anything else themselves.


18 posted on 09/18/2012 10:42:39 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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B.A. in English
Almost have my M.A. in English.

I concur completely about M.Ed. and B.Ed teachers. They are most proficient when gabbing about educational theory during professional development meetings.


21 posted on 09/18/2012 10:45:07 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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What the education establishment doesn’t want to hear, is that knowledge of subject matter and IQ of teacher matter more than how many “Ed” courses have been taken.


23 posted on 09/18/2012 10:50:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: grundle

An education degree.

For when you absolutely, positively cannot pass any other academic major.


24 posted on 09/18/2012 10:50:51 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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Today in America there are THOUSANDS of unemployed people who are marvelously qualified to teach math and science and will do so for reasonable pay and benefits.

Are you listening, Chicago, et al.?

25 posted on 09/18/2012 10:55:51 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: grundle

BLAME this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math


28 posted on 09/18/2012 11:13:32 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: grundle

can someone explain to me why a person with a high school diploma cannot teach elementary school classes?

kindergarten... share your cookies, take a nap..

first grade.. 2+2=4, this is how you hold your pencil

second grade.. 2X2=4, here is a noun, this is how you spell words

third grade.. heat expands, cold contracts.... this is how you construct a sentence... this is how you make change at the store...

why the hell do you need a college degree to teach this stuff????


29 posted on 09/18/2012 11:13:43 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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EDUCATION?
I thought they got a degree in INDOCTRINATION.


31 posted on 09/18/2012 11:19:12 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Those who pay no taxes and depend upon government are Government PETS.)
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To: grundle
Most parents often do a better job of teaching than do "professional" teachers.

We have screwed up teaching and education and turned a calling into a union job with union work rules, benefits and predictable results.

Life Success now comes from overcoming the mandated mediocrity and sheep-like dependency that are the hallmarks of the professional educator's work, and not because of it.

A public school education is every citizen's built in excuse for failure. What did you learn in school today other than self esteem, son? "I learned, "It's not my fault!""

33 posted on 09/18/2012 11:57:34 AM PDT by GBA
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“Teach for America” sounds a lot like “Obama for America.” Wonder what they teach in that boot camp.


38 posted on 09/18/2012 1:19:35 PM PDT by informavoracious (Abortions are unproductive wrongs, not reproductive rights.)
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