A Generator Thread for Preppers

Self | 31 July 2012 | Lurker

[Lurker]

A couple of weeks ago someone on the weekly prep thread thought a post on generators might be useful to some. Now I have recently completed the “biggest” prep project of mine to date. Considering the recent catastrophic power grid failure in India I thought it would be a good time to share what I’ve done to deal with an extended power outage at the Compound of Clan Lurker.

Project Overview:

I wanted to be able to power my home during an extended grid failure without having to run a bunch of extension cords through open windows, etc. My criteria for a successful project was this:

1. Be able to power critical items such as refrigerator, freezer, lights, television and radios, and at least one good sized room type air conditioner.

2. Not have to run extension cords through open windows or doors.

3. Be able to take advantage of multiple fuel types so as to not be dependent on gasoline or diesel which may drastically increase in price or not be available at all.

Doesn’t sound too difficult, right? Well it wasn’t, really. It did, however, require quite a bit of research and a few hours of time. Now I’m not saying what I did would be good for everyone to run out and do. Your circumstances are probably very different from mine and what I picked may not be appropriate for where you live, how you live, etc. Also I have NO financial relationship to any of the manufacturers whose products I purchased. None. Everything I picked is the result of my own research. I strongly recommend that you do your own research as well.

The Process:

The first thing to do is pick out what you absolutely HAVE to power in your home. This is important because generators put out a finite amount of electricity which is measured in watts or amps. Most generators display the running and maximum, or “surge” wattage somewhere on them fairly prominently. While this information is useful, what’s really important is amperage. Most “mid-sized” portable generators, those which range from 5,000 to 8,000 watts in output, have a 240 volt, 30 amp output on them.

That means you’ll need to find out how many amps each thing you want to power in your house requires to not only run, but to START as well. For instance my furnace requires only about 5 amps to run, but 9 amps to start the fan motor. You have to take this into account as all electric motors as in air conditioners, refrigerators, freezers, furnaces, etc, require more amperage to start them initially.

So step one is learn the running AND starting amps for everything you consider “critical” to have during a power outage. Then you can select a portable generator of the appropriate size. Yes, bigger is almost always better but there’s a significant price increase as you go “up”. Just add up the “running” amps of your equipment, multiply that by 110, and you have a rough idea of the wattage you’ll require. OK, so don’t every electrical engineer in the place jump on me at once. I said “rough” idea. Take the figure you come up with and get a generator the next size up. For instance I came up with about 5,000 watts, so a 5,500 watt unit fit the bill.

Getting The Power Inside:

As I said I didn’t want a bunch of extension cords running in and out of windows, running across floors, up stairs, etc as this creates a safety hazard. So what’s the solution? It’s a piece of hardware called a “transfer switch”. I bought this model: Reliance 6 Circuit 30 Amp Transfer Switch.

This device connects to your home electrical system through the panel which contains the circuit breakers in your house. CAUTIONARY NOTE: While there are very good instructions and a video to help the do-it-yourself types, hiring a competent, bonded, certified, insured real live electrician would be a VERY good idea if you have the SLIGHTEST doubt in your ability to install this device yourself.

Behind that panel in your house lurks 240 volts of electrical death just waiting to grab you. So if you’re not COMPLETELY confident in your abilities, write the check. I accept NO RESPONSIBILITY for crispy fried Freepers. Got that?

The device, when properly installed, isolates your home from the local electrical grid and switches the circuits you’ve selected to generator set. It’s INCREDIBLY important that your home NOT be connected to the electrical grid when you’re supplying power to it from the generator and through the panel. High voltage can leak back down the lines MILES away and give the poor guy trying to repair all those downed lines a VERY, VERY bad day. You can, and most likely WILL, be held both civilly and criminally responsible if you harm someone because you haven’t properly isolated your house from the grid!

OK, now that I’ve scared the crap out of everybody I can tell you that I installed this device and the associated Inlet Box in under 90 minutes. The included video was extremely helpful and laid everything out in logical, consistent steps so even a Freeper could understand it.

The Inlet Box has a 30 amp male plug to which you connect one of the female ends of the 30 amp cord. The male end plugs directly into the 30 amp, 240 volt output of your generator set. The inlet box is connected to the transfer switch, which is connected directly to the main electrical panel in my house

The Fuel Dilemma:

Now you’ll most likely get a generator that’s powered by gasoline. Mine has a 6 gallon tank and claims a 6 hour run time at 50% load. That means it will run for about 6 hours on a tank of fuel IF you’re only putting out half the power that set is capable of, roughly 2750 watts in my case. Larger loads will consume fuel even faster. So I did some math:

6 X 4=24 gallons of gasoline per day. 24 x $3.50 a gallon is $85.00 to run that sucker for 24 hours. OUCH!

What’s the solution? It’s called a Tri Fuel Kit. This allows your generator to run not only on gasoline, but propane, or natural gas. Now a pound of propane is roughly equivalent to a gallon of gasoline and around here a 20 pound tank refill runs about $18.00. So you can see that’s significantly cheaper than gasoline. But what’s even cheaper is the natural gas already coming into my home. This cool little Tri Fuel Kit also allows your generator on natural gas, which is even less expensive than propane. You can run it for literally a few bucks a day.

Now you’ll need to connect your gen set to the gas source somehow. Since I’ve opted for a semi-permanent installation (more on that later) I purchased 50 feet of ½ rubber hose suitable for use with low pressure natural gas. This came from the same vendor as the adaptor kit. A quick connect set up on either end and I can hook it directly from my gas meter right to the regulator on the Tri Fuel Kit. Voila, I’ve got fuel for a few bucks a day! Yes, it’s dependent on the natural gas grid, but in my area they’re by far the most reliable utility we have. And I can always go back to propane or gasoline with a flick of the fuel switch. Pretty slick!

Generators Are Loud!

Even the smallest generators are noisy little suckers. Bigger units sound like you’re surrounded by The Lawnmowers of Hell. After a few hours both you’ll hate it and your neighbors will hate both it and YOU! So I did a little more research and happened upon this guy’s solution to the problem. God I love redneck McGyvers!

This is the “semi-permanent” part of my project that I’ll be starting on in August. Mine won’t be identical to his, of course. But this is definitely the general concept I’m going for

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The Cost:

OK, of all my prep stuff, this is the 2nd most expensive. Firearms are the only thing I’ve spent more money on. So here’s a breakdown on what I’ve got into this so far and what I expect to end up having spent when I get that cool little shed put together.

Generator: $800.00.
Transfer Switch Kit: $275.00
Tri Fuel Adaptor: $200.00
Gas Line: $150.00
Miscellaneous Parts: $200.00
Shed: Haven’t bought it yet but the one I’m looking at lists for $230.00 at Wally World.

Total: $1,625.00

Pricey? Well, yea. This is a lot of money for us but we didn’t do it all in one day. We’re still not done, actually. There’s that smoking cool shed for it to build yet, but I have the costs of the parts nailed down pretty well. So break the purchase down into manageable chunks. Get the generator first, that way you have it even if you do have to use extension cords. Then you can start acquiring the other items. We got the generator first, then the Transfer Switch Kit, then the Tri Fuel, and so forth. It went in some sort of logical progression for us. Yours will probably be different. That’s ok.

But the point is that if there’s an extended power outage we’re set to run what for us are the essential electrical requirements of our home for an extended period of time without being an undue disturbance to our neighbors.

Now remember generators require maintenance and that includes actually starting them up and having them power something. This needs to be done on a regular basis according to the instructions in your owners manual. You can’t just leave these things sit for a couple of years and expect them to work when you need them. So if the maintenance instructions say to start it up and power some stuff, do it. Don’t shove this expensive piece of hardware in a corner of the garage and forget about it.

So during a power outage here is how our rig would work:

Shut off main breaker to house. (You can’t be too careful with electricity)
Plug 30 amp cord into outlet on generator and inlet box on the house.
Hook up gas line to gas outlet on meter and inlet on regulator.
Start generator and warm up according to manufacturers instructions.
On Transfer Switch turn house circuits on ONE AT A TIME, waiting a few seconds between each one.
Check generator to make sure it’s running well.
Go back inside and get a cold beer from the fridge.
Get ready to meet the neighbors if you haven’t already. They’re going to wonder how in the hell you’re the only one in the neighborhood with electricity.

We tell them we worship Cthulu and he provides for the True Believers. They leave skidmarks.

OK I know this is a lengthy post and well longer than most of the ones on the Prepper threads here but I wanted to share what we’ve done to get ourselves ready in case of an extended power outage. As usual all the opinions expressed here are mine, which of course makes them absolutely beyond question.

[Chode]

i agree with all you said... i just need to know i will have fuel for my generator when there's no power at the gas station

[Lurker]

Indeed it is. But I like to think what I’ve got going on here is pretty slick, still. One thing’s for sure, it’s way ahead of what my neighbors have done.

LOL.

[BobL]

“Indeed it is. But I like to think what I’ve got going on here is pretty slick, still. One thing’s for sure, it’s way ahead of what my neighbors have done.”

Sure...but in most parts of the country, having an extra 20 lbs. of rice puts you light years ahead of your neighbors.

But keep up the great work - prepping is ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL, especially when we keep running $1T deficits every year.

There is still an outside chance that things will change in this country before we have to collapse - and we’ll know that within a year.

[Kartographer]

DONE!

Preppers’ PING!!!

[Lurker]

LOL, you’re quite right about the rice thing. I appreciate the encouragement. I’m sure others have done this already and probably better than I did.

But that’s what I love about these threads, I always learn something.

[BobL]

Yea, there are others that also do a good job. But they’re human - so they cannot post 24/7. Having more people join in is only better.

[nascarnation]

Propane in tanks will last a very long time (decades perhaps?) with no intervention.

Long term diesel fuel needs to be treated with biocide because bacteria will grow in it.

The automatic transmissions we ship to the Army as service backups often are in storage for long periods and we have to treat the ATF with biocide.

http://www.powerservice.com/bk/

[PA Engineer]

Here is a link that most preppers may find useful. Every device with a motor should have LOCKED ROTOR CODE LETTERS.

This is the "inrush" values which can be significantly higher than the wattage required to run the motor. You can visualize this with a garden hose analogy. When you first turn the water on, you have to fill up the hose first with water before you can begin watering.

This is useful for both generator sizing and inverters. Specifically if you have a deep well in the range of 3/4HP. You will need to size up in order to handle the starting wattage.

Hope this is helpful.

[cva66snipe]

I have a 4200 watt Coleman portable I picked up from a relative. It is my main back up should I need it. My secondary back up and the one I use first in an outage is a simple 500 watt 12 volt to 120 volt inverter. I have about 6 deep cycle batteries thanks to my wife getting new wheelchair batteries periodically and I keep them charged. For a few lights and a laptop that will do for 6-8 hours per batter easy. In event of longer outages the batteries can also serve to service & rest the generator.

Now for stowing ideas. Mine sits on my front porch. I keep it amongst a few odds and ends stored there. But it's inside a wooden cover built to look like a work table and has stuff laying on top of it. It's more secure there than inside a garage or shed where thieves would look for it.

[Chode]

thx for the tip! but the propane set up costs $$$ i don't have, but i DO have the generator and the diesel is filled every year... and the cost of a large propane tank isn't cheap and renting one costs money too

but for people that heat with propane it's the hot setup

[nascarnation]

I’m sure if you turn over your diesel supply yearly, you’re in good shape.

[Sarajevo]

The 1800 rpm units are more expensive because the engine has to be larger, but you really have no choice here.

Any suggestions? Brand Names?

[Lurker]

Thank you VERY much. That’s extremely good information.

[OneVike]

Thanks Lurker, great job that is very much appreciated.

I was already plan on purchasing a bigger generator, because mine cannot run the water pump. When power goes out I can run the fridge, TV, and some lights but that’s about it.

I had been talking to some neighbors about switching it to propane and thanks to you I now know what I need.

I live in the country with no natural gas, so propane is the cheapest I can get away with, but it’s better than gas.

I have copied your prepper list and will be checking it often.

thanks for all the work and investigation you did.

God bless you and yours.

Chuck

[SVTCobra03]

Diesel has even more energy than gasoline.

Diesel is louder and harder to start in the winter.

[goodnesswins]

I hope you are right....the 50lbs of Rice we have could go bad...plus I have 20Lb of Jasmine rice that I think WILL go bad....(don’t eat much in the way of carbs)

[Sarajevo]

Great thread! I have a simple gas powered Honda 1000W generator that is also used to charge car batteries, run electric tools beyond extension cord range from the house, and camping. It will only handle the fridge and freezer though. I’m need to size up so I can power the well pump too.
everything else is just gravy.

[Lurker]

Dear Sir,

I’m very pleased I could,be of service. That’s why I wrote it. Please do be sure not to really solely on my research. As we’ve seen I’ve gotten a couple of details wrong. LOL

Good luck.

[alfa6]

At one time the best RV genesets were made by Onan.

I think that Onan is now parts of Cummins.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

[Sarajevo]

Diesel is louder and harder to start in the winter.

In Afganistan, I would tape a couple MRE handwarmers around the fuel filter and let them do their thing. If your batteries are good, your diesel should start with no problem.