Posted on 07/20/2012 2:08:36 PM PDT by jmstein7
The fatal shootings in Colorado today underscore the dangerous consequences of so-called "gun control." Had but one - ONE - citizen in the the theater been lawfully armed, this tragedy could have been avoided. Instead, as a result of gun control, and those who peddle this dangerous - and unconstitutional - policy, an entire theater full of disarmed citizens were left defenseless - victims. This is an outrage.
Take notice that these crimes do not happen in Right-to-Carry states, such as Texas... it simply does not happen. The point is well conceded - by real statistics - that Right-to-Carry states have significantly lower rates of total violent crime (by 26 percent), murder (31 percent), robbery (50 percent!), and aggravated assault (15 percent). Armed citizens are safe citizens. Armed families are safe families. The proof is in the numbers.
The upshot to today's shootings should be vocal demands that our Federal and State governments STOP disarming us and let us defend ourselves! It is our constitutional RIGHT.
Call your local and state officials and DEMAND that our right to self defense, the right to bear arms, be preserved so that such tragedies can be avoided.
“Do you really think that “one” person sitting on the opposite side of a crowded theater, 25 to 30 yards away, with a .380, 9 mm,.40, or even the over-idolized .45 could have taken out a shooter wearing body amour in a surprise attack in near darkness, without killing or wounding innocent people?”
Yes.
Theater stadium seating allows a clear shot across a theater room, and the dork wasn’t wearing body armor as you think.
“You’re criminally responsible if you hit a single other person.”
Where did you get that? You’re obviously not a lawyer or experienced in such matters.
Your situation as described is childish fantasy and moronically retarded at best. Not even going to play such a stupid game.
70+ people got shot doing nothing but trying to run away. I’d rather play my odds at getting to the bad guy before he got to me. As I said already, theater stadium seating allows a clear shot across the room and the dork wasn’t wearing the body armor you think protects him like a tank.
“Why did the shooter choose a place where the people had no means to defend themselves?”
Because according to the anti-carry posters here he knew it didn’t matter if they were armed because he could still kill them with impunity? /sarcasm
My plan would have been to drop to the floor and evaluate. Beyond that anyone saying anything is just blowing smoke.
Honestly speaking, though, Mrs. L and I have discussed this and our plan is to get the hell out. No hero crap, just survive. If there’s a golden opportunity for a clean shot, maybe.
If that makes us cowards, so be it.
Thes echain thetaers are all too intent to fleece you out of every cent of your money.
We have a very new multiplex where I live, they have a very nice front multiple ticket purchase booth out front, but they rarely use it.
They funnel the crowds instead to the refreshment stand to buy their tickets and then are asked several times if they want to purchase anything else.
I refuse to buy anything but the movie ticket and I tell them up front I simply do not have sufficient funds to purchase their theater priced candy, drinks or popcorn.
And the actual theaters are minimal manned if even that since films have mostly gone bye bye and its almost all digital
Welcome to the new era of theaters, you must buy what we sell, and we don’t care if you get shot.
I am slightly surprised some internet keyboard junkie hasn’t suggest placing snipers up in the control rooms with NVGs to take out anyone possibly doing the same thing.
And I bet in Israel they actually do have people there with just that in mind. Security in the theater.
But it all comes down to the people. Its the society, its the flawed dangerous leadership of a flawed ideology that created theses splinter groups and mostly for supporting them..
They support anything that helps their agenda whether they knew ahead of time it was going to happen.
And now Obama wants to hold hands with the victims, he has NEVER held hands with victims, these people he plans on visiting will be used as a political tools.
What a sad piece of work you are. You signed up today just to post this and claim no citizen carrying would have been able to do anyhting else — raspberries.
Can’t argue.... Mindset etc drives the decision. We can prep and train for events we have seen before or think tank the future possibilities yet it all comes down to cya an aggressive an violent offense if family is in danger.
As I stated on other threads about this turd. We can only mitigate the damage. Can’t stop such if criminal is willing to die or has no fear of being captured.
Criminally insane are a beech indeed.
Hope yer well. Tell yer tribe to not give up on the care package. I just have to catch the lady that runs the company store.
Stay safe...
Remember when I said Devil’s Advocate earlier? Again, who the hell knows what would have happened. I’ve saved lives before. I know when to press forward and fight, and when to fall back.
From my understanding of the situation, to do anything but run would be suicide. I would have been unprepared, alone, blind, and outgunned. I can’t save anyone else if I’m among the dead.
And is it really my fault for finding this place while looking up the shooting the other day?
Oh, forgot to mention in my other post- I go over this exact sort of thing when my department does it’s bi-annual Active Shooter training.
Is there any reason you can think of why you wouldn’t be responsible if you shoot and kill a bystander by accident? That’s the very definition of “Manslaughter,” NDCC 12.1-06-02, or, if you get a particularly liberal prosecutor, “Negligent Homicide,” NDCC 12.1-06-03.
And one more time, just for the record- Dark. Tear gas. He has a gas mask and a rifle. You have a pistol. He’s looking to kill anything moving. You’re looking to kill him specifically. Good luck hitting him.
Look, pal, the Swiss who we like to endlessly repeat are armed to the teeth, and have to practice their arm handling skills yearly (a constitutional requirement there, like, oh, Obamacare’s health insurance requirement here) don’t go and don’t have to go to movie theaters and supermarkets carrying AK-47s as many here suggest we all do.
The point is, if somebody is contemplating committing a crime, he isn’t going to very likely pick a target that he knows a certain number of people in the building are likely to be armed.
If a thief has a choice of two houses to rob, and he knows one house has armed inhabitants, he isn’t very likely to pick the armed house.
You mean like Yorktown, Sugar Loaf Hill, Tarawa, ect...
"I would have been unprepared, alone, blind, and outgunned."
I've had to put up with a govm't that denied my 2nd Amendment rights most of my life. I doubt you'd have a problem suiting up in a SWAT costume and raiding my place in the middle of nap time for a pay check from some socialist gun grabbers. Some asshole raids a theatre with unarmed women and kids, starts killing them en masse and you not only don't have the tactical skills to take him down, you're on here badmouthing those that do and probably do and are spewing the grabber's propaganda about armed citizens being impotent and hazardous.
Your analysis of the situation sucks. The perp had a background of a wall and a screen. There was no one behind, or near him at any time and no one had to have been there to know that. As soon as the gas grenade went bouncing across the front of the theatre, or sooner, the perp should have been placed in the sights of a handgun and sent on his way to hell.
"I can’t save anyone else if I’m among the dead."
There's at least 3 that where there that did just that.
"I know when to press forward and fight, and when to fall back."
No you don't.
Yeah, the stray was an accident that happened when taking down scum that was actively killing innocent people. Imperfect action does not equate to negligence.
"And one more time, just for the record- Dark. Tear gas. He has a gas mask and a rifle. You have a pistol. He’s looking to kill anything moving. You’re looking to kill him specifically. Good luck hitting him."
No I don't have a pistol, but I will at least be holding an eyeball and some brains in 2 of my fingers when I finally expire.
Maybe that was before "right to carry" became popular...
Remember the Columbine pictures? Hundreds of police officers hiding behind police cars while unarmed students and teachers were forced to face the gunmen all alone and unarmed? Saftey first, at least for the police.
Seems we have one of those policemen right here in our midst.
And they wonder why our respect for them falls a bit more everyday.
Yes, I remember. I’ve also met plenty like them and some others that were not.
I can watch the same movie on my 70” TV in my living room courtesy of Dish Network shortly after its grand opening in big cities, and sooner than it will appear on my local theater's screen. I don't have to drive 300 miles to Aurora, CO.
If I am worried about being shot, I can surround myself with my entire collection of two shotguns, a rifle, two revolvers, and one semi-automatic pistol.
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