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The Ten Worst American Traitors
www.mandatory.com ^ | 6/21/12 | Tim Currie

Posted on 06/24/2012 5:54:41 PM PDT by Borges

Some interesting choices with a Number 2 that I never heard of.

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1 posted on 06/24/2012 5:54:50 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

I’m a proud Yankee and even I think anyone who calls Robert E Lee a traitor is a moron. Even in the middle of a brutal civil war he was widely respected in the north.


2 posted on 06/24/2012 6:01:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Borges

Where’s the Rosenbergs?


3 posted on 06/24/2012 6:05:30 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Borges

I agree about R.E. Lee not needing to be on there. He DID resign his commission, so he wasn’t pulling the wool over anyone’s eyes. Back then, people thought of themselves more as what State they were from, than as Americans.


5 posted on 06/24/2012 6:13:23 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama doesnÂ’t have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: cripplecreek; Reagan Man
I’m a proud Yankee and even I think anyone who calls Robert E Lee a traitor is a moron. Even in the middle of a brutal civil war he was widely respected in the north.

Ditto. Robert E. Lee was not a traitor

6 posted on 06/24/2012 6:13:44 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: cripplecreek

Robert E. Lee, was a decorated veteran in the Mexican War, showing his skill at the battle of Cerro Gordo, it was his genius idea that brought a great victory. He isn’t a traitor. He loved the country U.S.A, and felt horrible that the people in the North were agressors and came and attacked them in Virginia.


7 posted on 06/24/2012 6:14:27 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: qam1

Lee doesn’t belong on this list, and how is Ezra Pound a worse traitor than the Rosenbergs or Alger Hiss? Of course the top slot should be reserved for Obama.


8 posted on 06/24/2012 6:17:40 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Borges
As soon as I saw Robert E. Lee, I stopped.

Anyone who knows anything about that period realizes that Lee was not a traitor. In those times the question of who your loyalty was first was a serious matter of dispute- state or federal. Remember the states existed before the federal govt. Remember that one of the main reasons that Jefferson Davis was never tried on treason was because there was serious belief that the Supreme Court would hold that a state could withdraw from the union.

Officers in the Federal Army were allowed to resign, so they could fight for the south. The Army and Naval Academies held a final formation so the students could say one last good bye to each other before they separated.

There was a sense of honor and a personal code that seems very alien to us now.

Also recognize that Robert E. Lee did more to ensure that ex-confederate soldiers came back into the union than any other confederate general (that I know of). He was held in high esteem by both sides before, during and after the civil war.

9 posted on 06/24/2012 6:18:43 PM PDT by fini
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To: cripplecreek

He was leader of an enemy army. That’s all it takes.


10 posted on 06/24/2012 6:18:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rovenstinez

Rather, he failed to act up to his father’s level. His father accepted the federal government commission to put down a rebellion. Lee shirked, then hid behind a state commission, then supported an army which illegally occupied US territory and had fired on US forces. He applied for pardon, thus admitting his wrong, which was not issued until after he died.


11 posted on 06/24/2012 6:19:09 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Borges

It’s quite obvious someone forgot one ,,,, that is #1 B. H. 0.


12 posted on 06/24/2012 6:19:15 PM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m a Texan but have always held with you damn yanks in that war, but I agree, REL was a class act and an honorable soldier. Much better man than many of the Generals of the North.
(and I’ll leave it at that, I don’t care for the CW threads.)


13 posted on 06/24/2012 6:19:54 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Borges

Where the hell is Alger Hiss? Or the Rosenbergs? Or Morton Sobell? Or Judith Coplon?


14 posted on 06/24/2012 6:21:27 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: MuttTheHoople

The leaders at that time didn’t speak ill of each other publicly back then either. Lee himself said that he surrendered as much to Lincoln’s goodness as he did to Grant’s army.


15 posted on 06/24/2012 6:21:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Fiji Hill
Where the hell is Alger Hiss? Or the Rosenbergs? Or Morton Sobell? Or Judith Coplon?

Of course, they're not traitors--just innocent victims of McCarthyism.

16 posted on 06/24/2012 6:24:07 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Borges

Is my browser not working properly?I dont see any names and dont recognize some of them or an explanation why they were chosen.Who are they?


17 posted on 06/24/2012 6:24:07 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: cripplecreek

Here’s a compromise - we’ll keep “Lee” on the list, but change it to “Lee Harvey Oswald”.

A fellow I know not prone to rash accusations claimed that Oswald, while in the Soviet Union, explained to them how to shoot-down a U2.

Then, a few months later, down came Francis Gary Powers.


18 posted on 06/24/2012 6:26:23 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Works for me. Oswald was scum.


19 posted on 06/24/2012 6:28:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek; qam1
You are both right; I am also a Yankee and Robert E. Lee was no traitor. I would rather have dinner with Gen. Lee any day than with Gen. Grant.

And where were the Rosenbergs? Give the Soviets the H-Bomb and not make the list?

I call BS on this. Looks like agenda-driven.

20 posted on 06/24/2012 6:29:56 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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