Posted on 04/27/2012 1:49:34 PM PDT by Mark Mayberry
The picture is featured above and is also goes on to state that it was a meeting held by the NAACP on my college campus on April 4th. Now this flyer got me thinking as I stood in line to return my books and if you have never returned books on the last day of the semester, let me tell you, I had a lot of time to think.
I decided that even though most people want to believe otherwise, most of us are not Trayvon Martin at all. As a matter of fact, I am nothing like Trayvon nor would I want to be. It leads me to ponder this question, what does it say about America that so many people think they want to be like Trayvon Martin?
My parents were fairly strict on me as a child and although I hated it when I was younger, I now understand why they were and it is driven home a little more every time I see a cautionary tale such as this. I was never in trouble outside of the normal realms of being a bored teenager. For that reason I never found myself in a strange neighborhood after dark being pursued by a member of the neighborhood watch. I would have never dreamed of bringing drugs or stolen property to school mostly because I was raised with a strict code of decency and in my community we were all good people who didn’t take part in such things. Also the fact that even at the age of seventeen I am fairly sure my father would not have been opposed to snatching me up for such deeds didn’t hurt as a deterrent.
This story involved my parents quite a bit and I didn’t even realize it until I started to frame out the article. Much of the things that have been unearthed about Trayvon Martim since his death are a result of absent parenting in my opinion. My father always instilled in me to respect everyone but most of all women. For that reason I would never issue public Internet statements through various social media sites using disparaging and misogynistic terms. I was raised in an atmosphere where that was not permitted and if you broke that rule there was a consequence.
From the time I was young my parents both taught me that there was something to be said for hard work and honest living. My parents, both of whom are successful in their respective fields of employment were great role models to support their claims. Because of that influence and example I am now on my way to being a successful person in my chosen field and never once have I thought it would be cool to dress in baggy jeans with a hood covering my face. Not to say that I don’t own any hoodies but the hood is more of a useless addition to the sweatshirt and not to be worn. I am a firm believer that how you dress sways people’s initial opinion. I try to dress my best when I am around town and meeting people so I am taken seriously in public. For the same reason that I assume the guy wearing a badge is a police officer, I also assume the guy walking around with his pants falling down and wearing an oversized hoodie is a criminal. If you don’t want to be known as a criminal then don’t wear the uniform.
I have no middle finger pictures online nor do I own any gold teeth and although I do have one tattoo it is covered a majority of the time and no one is any the wiser. The point I am trying to make here is that Trayvon went to great lengths to convince people that he was a thug, living the lifestyle of a ghetto super star and there are consequences to this decision.
If I had to choose, I would say that I am George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman is a devoted husband who works diligently and does volunteer work with disadvantaged people and at risk youth. He also volunteered in his neighborhood and most people only have good things to say about him. Zimmerman has goals and career dreams that he hopes to attain much as I do and because of that I can understand the hard work that goes into pursuing a dream.
Much like Zimmerman I volunteer in my community and do what I can to help out. Until I moved to Tennessee for school I was a volunteer firefighter and still take part in many activities to help out those less fortunate.
Also I am a concealed weapons permit holder and this is the reason that this case was originally of particular interest to me. It wasn’t until later when Zimmerman was crucified in the media with lies and omissions that I took up the cause. (Check out my story on the media bias in the Trayvon Martin case.) Anyone who carries a gun (legally) understands the responsibility and the risk you take in defending your own life. Because of this I know that unless some new unforeseen evidence surfaces, Zimmerman didn’t shoot Martin on a whim or for kicks, as some would have you to believe.
So I will ask again in closing, are you really Trayvon Martin? Do you want your kids to be Trayvon Martin? I for one, try everyday not be Trayvon Martin and to live my life as a productive member of society and a point of pride for my parents not a point of failure.
The old, “do my research for me because I have been too lazy to keep up with the news on the event I am discussing like I know what I am talking about” line. Some Freepers use this tatic, too.
Really, if you had been reading about this case day by day and seen Trayvon’s Tweets, listened to the 9ll tapes, watched the bail hearings, read the evidence released and accounts of people who live around Zimmerman and accounts of witnesses, you would not be “knowing” what you think you know and telling freepers to prove to you what all the sources provided to them. The MSM has put a lot of stuff out that is false in their political game just as they did in the Duke case.
That is what you should do instead of telling everyone to give you the links to all these sources of information you seemed to have missed. Since I listed the sources of information freepers have used to gain their understanding of the case, why not look them up yourself and spend the time necessary to learn what is known about the case so far beyond the story of the race baiters.
I agree with you on everything except for Obama being Arab. Ask FReeper Beckwith on how trustworthy Kenneth lamb is.
All I am saying is show me the evidence that Zimmerman’s head was “smashed” into the concrete. Please calm down, let the process prove or disprove Zimmerman’s claim. I will be the first to admit I was wrong if the evidence shows, how about you?
Blind Faith: accepting Zimmerman’s word as the the only truth, indeed the “holy” word. No one should accept this, we are ony asking for more information. Please, that is all that all that I’m asking. Why does that upset so many on this thread? Zimmerman is not a hero, that does not mean he is guilty of second degree murder. It does show that there are questions that need to be addressed. Let’s address these questions. And let’s stop calling names. That serves no useful purpose.
Very nicely done!
Kenya while being Sub Saharan Africa has a large percentage of it’s population that are genetically Arab Zero’s Kenyan father from what others have worked out is almost certainly dark skinned Arab racially, but i digress I wouldn’t trust Kenneth lamb to valet park my car..
From what I understand, non Africans in Kenya, including, but not only Arabs, are only about 1% of the population.
> Kenyan father from what others have worked out is almost certainly dark skinned Arab racially,
Who? From what I know, it was Lamb who came up with that notion. From what I heard, Barry’s dad was ethnic Luo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Sr.
yes, I know it’s wikipedia, but still.
Back to the subject. People should calm down and let the courts handle the matter. Zimmerman may have been wrong, but if he was the courts will find it out.
I will have to dig back as to who, I saw it during the whole birth certificate circus earlier this year. Your probably right that all the other people who assert he is Arab might just be quoting Lamb. Your also right in people should let the courts handle the matter this is the essence of our republic Due Process and rule of law. Zimmerman is innocent until such time the prosecution has prove with evidence to a jury of his peers beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman acted and was in the mindset of a malicious act with the intent to kill Martin. Then any only then is this anything but self defence.
Most people, when someone pulls a gun on them, turn and run the other way.
The grass and water stains on George Zimmerman’s back, as well as at least one other “911” caller, support George Zimmerman’s version of the event.
No, I don’t call you a “Useful Idiot” to make “make my speculation more accurate”. I do it to describe my opinion of you.
You’ve been had.
Yeah, it's so easy to outrun a bullet.
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"The grass and water stains on George Zimmerman’s back, as well as at least one other “911” caller, support George Zimmerman’s version of the event."
Sorry, all that shows is that he was getting his ass kicked --- plenty of guys who start shit end up getting a beat down, happens all the time.
And, if you have a link to a witness who says that he/she saw the start of the fight then please post it.
Your insults do absolutely nothing to prove your speculation. They might make you feel good but that's all they accomplish.
The fact that Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked is only evidence that he was losing, not that he was attacked. I've seen plenty of fights where the guy who started it ended up losing.
Maybe martin did attack zimmerman - but maybe he didn't - it is equally plausuble that martin was fighting to keep the stranger who followed him from pulling the gun or the trigger.
You don't know.
Nobody here knows.
As for your statement that zimmerman was key in getting charges against the cop's son --- please provide a link. I know about the incident but never heard about zimmerman being involved.
TM's tweets have nothing to do with the incident. Same with GZ's record of violence.
All that counts is who started the fight.
A lot of freepers swear that it has been proven that martin jumped zimmerman. Ask them for proof and all they do is throw insults.
Do you have proof? If you do then please post it.
are you just a blind trayvon supporter?
look at the timeline- Trayvon ws 850 feet from his home
he could have walked home in the time this all happend
instead he hid between buildings and ambushed zimmerman
Zimmerman was doing what he was supposed to be doing as prt of a COMMUNITY WATCH program- i.e. neighbors getting together to help each other WATCH OVER THEIR COMMUNITY
and it is becuse of people burglarizing the place- like (I believe) Trayvon was planning to do.
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Please provide a link to any witness statement that says this.
Zimmerman told the 911 operator he lost sight of Martin. He told the cops that as he was returning to the car, Martin jumped him.
Do you have evidence this did not happen? The burden of proof is on the accuser. So where is your proof that Zimmerman is lying about this?
TM was in the dark in the rain walking between houses. The phone call to the police confirms this- Zimmerman lost sight of him when he went between buildings.
He could have walked ON the sidewalk 850 feet to his home in the time it took for all this to happen
Zimmerman was there doing what he was supposed to be doing
Trayvon was not - he could have walked straight to the store and back, but he didn't. He made himself suspicious to the COMMUNITY WATCH that Had been set up BECAUSE of all the burglaries
He had a history of being found with burglary tools and women's jewelry that he said he “didnt know” who they belonged to.
ALL the evidence points to trayvon casing the place and zimmerman being attacked.
Yes, I cn see your point that it COULD HAVE happened differently, with zimmerman at fault- but the evidence so far points the other way, and you cannot convict zimmermn on the chance tht MAYBE it happened differently.
Hint: the altar boy was the one who would have had a two-year college diploma by now, but for this altercation.
Which one called the police and expected them at any moment, and which one called his girlfriend?
And which one was on his home turf?? Zimmerman was captain of a local community watch. Why was there a community watch? That particular community had had a rash of petty theft, and even a terrifying home invasion. Meaning, if you own a house in that community its value is degraded because nobody wants to be subjected to that. And here we have a case where the community watch captain had a confrontation with a stranger, at night and not walking in a purposeful way passing through to a specific objective.
The government promotes community watch operations as a response to crime and terrorism; “If you see something, say something.” If there had been no issue of different races involved in this altercation, you and I would never have heard of it, tho certainly you would expect that locally it would be cause for interest and concern. But when the watchman was in phone contact with the police about the matter and expecting their imminent arrival, some specific indication of malice would have been required before anyone assumed that the community watchman was guilty of murder.
Throw race in the mix, and if a black community watchman on his own home turf had killed a white or even “white Hispanic” youth while expecting the imminent arrival of the police, no one would bat an eye. Except to wonder what kind of “stupid ray” had induced the white youth to engage in such folly. Is there actually an example of a nonwhite community somewhere which is suffering a rash of larceny and a home invasion by white youths? A white interloper in a black neighborhood at night and acting like he could be casing the joint would be a “Darwin Award” candidate. And I’m not even talking specifically about Louis Farrakhan and that bunch.
Which shows that George Zimmerman has been prejudged. Prejudged by wire service journalism, prejudged by the black community, prejudged by the special prosecutor, and prejudged by the president of the United States. And should expect in due course be prejudged by the Attorney General. When they start broadcasting edited versions of your conversation with a police dispatcher splicing your words to put a racist statement in your mouth . . .
Zimmerman, according to the publicly available evidence (which is supposed to be complete at this point) has a defense, at least as far as facts and logic and the law go, against a murder charge. One which, certainly by the standard that the prosecution bears the burden of proving its case beyond a reasonable doubt, is waterproof. But in the propaganda war he is defenseless; he is being prosecuted by broadcast and print journalism and the black community is his jury. His only real recourse is to go on the attack. His main chance is to sue NBC for broadcasting that edited version of his conversation, which only the terminally naive could think was not malicious libel. And he should sue them for enough money to protect his life and sustain his livelihood, and those of his close relatives, for the rest of his life. And to pay for his criminal defense.
Both tactically and as a public service, he should also name the Associated Press, and all of its members individually, in his lawsuit so to prevent the rest of journalism from being able to protect NBC. He should name them all, and he should allege a RICO conspiracy against him and against the public at large. That would enable him to demand triple damages. This is a case in which there is muscle in the form of a bounty placed on his head by private individuals and groups - KKK style open vigilanteism. Even tho it is basically done openly, it is a racket and should be dealt with in court.
When someone you perceived to be a threat turns and runs away, it's illegal to shoot them.
Even if it wasn't illegal, hitting a moving target with a pistol is very hard to do without a lot of practice.
Any other cockamamie schemes you'd like to run by me?
You are correct that there were no witnesses to the start of the fight. The investigator, Dale Gilbreath, admitted that at Zimmerman's bail hearing. The problem the prosecution has is that THEY have to PROVE Zimmerman guilty. Zimmerman does not have to prove himself innocent.
My own speculation is that both were spooked by the other, and 17 year olds think they can never die. When the two of them got to be face to face (probably by Trayvon accosting Zimmerman) and started a testosterone fueled pissing match, Trayvon thought that Zimmerman was pulling a weapon when Zimmerman went for his phone. Trayvon then sucker punched Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot Trayvon in self-defense. A tragic case all around.
>>As for your statement that zimmerman was key in getting charges against the cop's son -— please provide a link. I know about the incident but never heard about zimmerman being involved.<<
Here's a link. You can find more by googling Zimmerman Sherman Ware (the homeless guy's name).
There are a number of plausible theories about what happened, but they are just that - theories.
Did GZ approach TM or just 'bump into him' and then show or even reach for his weapon? If he did then TM would have been 100% within his rights under SYG to fight to keep GZ from pulling the gun or the trigger.
There is nothing that proves this but, as some folks here are fond of saying, there is nothing that dis-proves it either. It is just one of many equally plausible scenarios.
I do not think that Zimmerman is any kind of hero or good guy in this. I think he's just a guy who got in over his head and had to shoot his way out.
I don't think that he will go to jail and I don't think that he should have been indicted. But that is because there is a lack of evidence of guilt - not a plethora of evidence of innocence.
I don't care one bit about TM's facebook page or twitter account. I can show you FB pages of rich Jewish or Catholic School kids from LI's Gold Coast that look more gangsta. It's 16/17 yo macho posturing.
And, I don't care one bit about GZ's prior brushes with the law, they were a few years ago and young men grow up.
All that matters is who started this fight...and, in spite of the legions of freepers who claim otherwise, only two people know the answer...the guy who died and the guy who killed him.
Again, thanks for the link.
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