Conservatives are at it again: shooting our own. Posted on 04/12/2012 8:09:43 AM PDT by hocndoc
Conservatives are at it again: shooting our own.
When Conservatives decide not to vote for Republican candidates, Republicans lose. Conservatives lose. The Democrats, socialists, and atheists win. Obama wins.
Where Republicans voted in 2008, we won new offices. Where they voted in 2010, we won majorities. Conservatives made the difference in the winning races and in the lost races. Not only did we have fewer Republican victories in those races where Conservatives didn't vote, the races were decided by the least knowledgeable among us or by the Dems.
More than before, in conservative blogs and forums, I'm reading good men and women declare that they will never vote for Romney if he's nominated. They remind me that they were the ones who refused to vote for John McCain in 2008, or who (like me) voted for Sarah Palin and McCain just benefited as a side effect.
I certainly wish that Conservatives had found themselves working hard to force McCain to keep his promises for that last three years instead of watching Obama keep his.
And here come the third party rallies!
The problem is certainly the "GOP elite," and their support for Romney -- that's why Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum couldn't get a foothold, right? And why Newt Gingrich is still so far behind?
How many votes do you suppose the "elite" have, anyway?
Talk about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, yesterday, Rush Limbaugh warned Conservatives what may happen if the Republican nominee doesn't win. Yes, he titled the post of the segment "A Warning to the Republican Establishment," ending with a prediction that the Republican Party might never recover if "they screw this up."
The warning to the rest of us is ignored:
If this doesn't pan out to big-time electoral victory the way the establishment has it figured, then what will their excuse be? And I think I know. I think that if this campaign goes on and if it results in Obama winning, I think what the establishment is going to do is blame us. They're gonna blame us conservatives for once again being too rigid and too demanding and too narrow and unrealistic and all this, and telling us that we're the reason that Obama won.
Why not? That's exactly what happened in '06 and '08. (And don't forget Rush's own Chaos.) The media and the Left ate it up! The lesson learned was that no one can count on Conservatives. That's why we repeatedly watch people who should be our champions "pander" (Rush's word) to the "middle," the "undecideds," the independents.
Why not learn instead from successes, like the 2000 election, a victory that the Dems never saw coming? A good friend recommended that I re-read David Horowitz' "How to Beat the Democrats." One of the lessons is,
Lesson 3: There Is No Natural Conservative Majority (But You Can Create One through Political Action). The critical role Republican unity played in the election leads to a third lesson: There is no “natural” conservative majority.
. . . Such facts are no cause for conservatives to despair. What they are is a reality-check. If the conservative mission is to restore basic American values, the way conservatives fight the political battle will determine its outcome. There may be no current conservative majority in America, but there is a potential majority, if Republicans have the will and intelligence to create one.
David Horowitz (2002-10-06). How to Beat the Democrats and Other Subversive Ideas (Kindle Locations 842-843, 861-863). Spence. Kindle Edition.
Do we have the will? The intelligence? Can we forget the animosity we have had for each other the last year? Are we willing to say, "Let him who never had a change of heart cast the first stone?"
An estimated 56% - give or take - of the Republican National delegates have been decided, but 44% have not. The numbers aren't set in stone, yet, depending on what happens to the delegates who went to candidates that dropped out or in States like Iowa, where the actual choice will be made at caucus in June. "It ain't over till it's over."
I'm sure that I won't see Conservative blogs pulling their anti-Romney posts, but I hope to see a few willing to be positive and work together to ensure Primary victories for the remaining Conservative in the Republican Primary, in order to deny Romney an easy nomination. Is their motto, "Anybody but Romney," or is it, "Anybody but Obama?"
27 Words. I counted. That’s all I posted. Not one of them stated (or even inferred) you were a liar.
Project much?
I think you need to take the kneepads off, they are not becoming at all.
Voting for the GOPe candidate only proves they can use us as their pawns. If people have fallen for the “get in line” meme then let them fall for the next ball and chain this government puts around their leg. Being forced like sheep is not something I’m going to do this time. Those of you who “tow the mark” and “support the party candidate” need to understand that you have been used and the GOPe knew you would “follow like lambs”. Many of you have been used again. Suckers.
I work with the tools I have. In life or death cases, I don’t have the luxury to wait for or fashion the perfect tool.
The Republican Party is certainly not a perfect tool, but it’s the only choice at hand.
Besides half the delegates are not locked in, yet.
Thanks for the bump!
I would rather have 4 years of Obama, strongly and forcefully opposed by the House and Senate, than have 8 years of Romney who will be tepidly supported by the house and Senate.
Clarity and opposition is preferred over consensus and capitulation of principles.
How do you view my reply as sucking up?
And I’m wearing keepads in regards to what?
Look ...’swipe. If you are going to get snarky, you best explain yoursef.
Thank you for saying this so well!
“Would you have joined a bunch of slave owners in 1775?”
You need to pose that question to the estabs who repeatedly sell out conservatives in the party. I have “quit” nothing.... THEY quit ME!
What in this context constitutes “not quitting?” Continuing down the same failed path? How has that worked out?
If this is my FR swan song, my opus, so be it. That’s not my intention.
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Baloney. You’ve been itching for a zot for some time. Maybe Jim will scratch that itch today. Maybe not.
But you will some day soon Ride the Lightning.
You trying to fool yourself? You quote hocndoc, then first
word of your counted 27 is “Baloney!”
Not sure about where you come from but if someone ‘round here
quotes me and then says Baloney...well that is inferring I am
a liar and that you want to set me straight.
Go find another thread to threaten people about getting zotted. You add nothing to the discussion other than prove the point that FR is badly fragmented with threats against each other mixed in with the 1001 good ideas trying to help the republic including the two prominent in this thread “Vote for anyone but Obama” and “Don’t vote for anyone Evil”.
I hope that your hopes for the House and Senate are realized. Unfortunately, they weren’t in ‘08.
Can we build a Conservative coalition in support of a Conservative Congress for November, 2012?
Baloney. You’ve been itching for a zot for some time. Maybe Jim will scratch that itch today. Maybe not.
But you will some day soon Ride the Lightning.........................................What, you hold a daily meeting with the powers that be as to what is acceptable to post??? As if you don’t like what somebody says you got some stroke to have them banned??? You been here less than half the time of ol doc and a lot less time than me but you think YOU can dictate or bully someone about their views?? Go sit back down in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking, you ain’t runnin nothin!
As long as Romney is on the ticket, I will NOT be supporting.
“On day of the General Election, I will have to pick either the Republican or the Democrat nominee to be whom I would rather make the next Supreme Court Justice selection. “
Excellent point and analysis!
I will also be considering that would I rather vote for someone
who can’t get re-elected and thus no longer cares what
the public opinion of him is or someone who is somewhat
guarded because they want a second four years. I think I
know which one is a somewhat safer choice.
You could take a look at the Constitution Party. That is where I plan to go if/when Romney is the nominee.
You could take a look at the Constitution Party. That is where I plan to go if/when Romney is the nominee...............................And just how many delegates does that party have???
Look, if you want to interject yourself in an ongoing discussion that started many threads ago - over an issue that you are completely ignorant about - then go ahead and make a total fool of yourself.
I did not threaten doc with a zot. Go back and read her own post 1. SHE herself knows she is treading on thin ice. She has been for years. I simply “agreed” with her.
Additionally, about “quitting”...
Here in VA, we were given the choice of Romney or Paul.
So, what again would I be “quitting?”
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