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WAS IT REALLY 2D MURDER?
boblonsberry.com ^ | 04/12/12 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 04/12/2012 6:43:08 AM PDT by shortstop

George Zimmerman is guilty.

Of something.

But I’m not sure it’s second-degree murder.

Unless there is some bit of evidence we don’t know about, unless there is some smoking gun out there, there is nothing in the Florida statute on second-degree murder that sounds like what happened that night.

The special prosecutor got to strut for the cameras last night, but if she can’t deliver the goods, and there is an acquittal, there is going to be hell to pay – and riot police are probably going to get called out.

In a case that has turned out to be more about race politics than the events on the sidewalk of a Florida subdivision, you wonder what last night’s announcement was really about. Was it mollification? Was it the considered opinion of a veteran prosecutor? Was it the first step in a political lynching?

Time will tell.

But here’s what the law book says.

In Florida, there are two ways a person can be guilty of second-degree murder.

In the first, someone has to be killed by someone showing “a depraved mind.” There must also be the perpetration of an act “imminently dangerous to another.” If those two factors exist, without premeditation, in Florida, that’s second-degree murder.

In the second, someone has to be killed by someone who is committing another felony crime. That list of specified felony crimes runs from arson and kidnapping to aircraft piracy and aggravated stalking. But none of the specified crimes – including terrorism – is anything like what George Zimmerman did that night. Specifically, he has not been accused of any other felony crime, so he could not be charged under this part of Florida’s second-degree murder law.

Which gets back to the first part.

Did George Zimmerman commit an act “imminently dangerous to another” and did he do so with “a depraved mind.”

It is clear that shooting a gun at someone is an act that is “imminently dangerous.” But did George Zimmerman fire the gun with “a depraved mind?”

That’s harder to say, and maybe impossible to prove.

Was it “depraved” for a Neighborhood Watch guy to follow a young man down the street? Unwise and ultimately tragic, yes, but depraved?

Not in most dictionaries.

And then there is the aspect of self-defense. If George Zimmerman makes the argument that he was repelling an attack he thought endangered his life or limb, the whole situation changes. The prosecution would have to not only show that George Zimmerman was not in danger, and that no reasonable person would consider themselves endangered in that situation, but that he had a depraved mind.

Unless there’s evidence that we don’t know about, that goes to Zimmerman’s state of mind, that’s a very high standard for the prosecution to meet.

That phrase “beyond a reasonable doubt” is a purposefully difficult level of evidence.

In this case, we only have one version of events – George Zimmerman’s. We can’t presume he is being truthful, but the prosecution will have to affirmatively prove that he is being untruthful. And that will be hard, largely because Trayvon Martin is not here to tell his side of the story.

According to press accounts, a witness verifies Zimmerman’s claim that Trayvon was on top of him hitting him. The enhanced video from the police station shows an injury on the back of his head.

Those things, though not conclusive, are supportive of George Zimmerman’s version of events.

And in the absence of another theory, and evidence to support that theory, you’re not getting to “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

There are practical aspects of trying this charge that will be difficult and disruptive.

How, for example, do you seat a jury?

And what will the racial makeup of that jury be and will that ratio be satisfactory to the people and activists who have been shouting for justice? In the blood lust that is masquerading as justice, how does a trial on this charge lead to anything but chaos?

If George Zimmerman is acquitted, as there seems to be a fair chance he will be, is there a possibility of racial upset or riot? It’s happened before, more than once.

Have we just found this generation’s OJ trial? Have we just found this generation’s Rodney King?

I will trust that this prosecution is not political. But I will have my doubts.

Don’t get me wrong.

It’s George Zimmerman’s fault that Trayvon Martin is dead. If Zimmerman had stayed home or in his vehicle, none of this would have happened.

There is clearly reckless endangerment here, and maybe there is some species of criminally negligent homicide or maybe even a manslaughter. But murder, that’s unlikely, and even less likely of being proven.

So we got headlines last night.

And a show trial sometime down the road.

But after that we may have uncorked hell.


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No matter what the final verdict turns out to be, I predict this situation will not end well.
1 posted on 04/12/2012 6:43:09 AM PDT by shortstop
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To: shortstop
I wonder if the charge was 'suggested' by the USDOJ with the expectation of an acquittal and resultant race riots.

Everyone knows its what the Son of Ayers and Holder really want.

2 posted on 04/12/2012 6:46:26 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: shortstop

Riots if acquitted.

Strongly worded protest letters to the editor if convicted.

Guess what group the gutless SP and politicians fear?

The rioters or the letter writers?

Guess what demographic makes up the majority of rioters.

Guess what demographic makes up the majority of letter writers.


3 posted on 04/12/2012 6:47:46 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: shortstop
Very good post, laying out the particulars of the law. Unfortunately, those who simply want to preen for the cameras are never guilty of using logic or facts.

I have two bets with myself. The first is that GZ will be killed in jail, probably before the trial, but definitely afterward if convicted. The second is that regardless of the verdict, there will be riots - simply because they are opportunities to loot.

4 posted on 04/12/2012 6:49:19 AM PDT by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: shortstop
It’s George Zimmerman’s fault that Trayvon Martin is dead. If Zimmerman had stayed home or in his vehicle, none of this would have happened.

The stupidity exhibited in this statement is enough to take one's breath away.

5 posted on 04/12/2012 6:51:01 AM PDT by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: shortstop

Yes, and take this situation coupled with the tossing out of Obama care as the act of a racist supreme court against the first black president... hell was uncorked in 2008, its always been in the cards.


6 posted on 04/12/2012 6:51:08 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: shortstop
"...did he do so with “a depraved mind.”

No but Prosecutor Cory has one in her head.

7 posted on 04/12/2012 6:51:26 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: shortstop

“It’s George Zimmerman’s fault that Trayvon Martin is dead.”

Actually, if Trayvon Martin launched an unprovoked attack on George Zimmerman, I’d say the blame is squarely on Trayvon.

DIMS don’t like “Stand Your Ground” laws, as such laws adversely impact a core RAT constituency group—Criminals.


8 posted on 04/12/2012 6:52:47 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: Hulka

ooh I know this one: the answer is “people the NAAClP wants to put in jail and force to pay reparations.”

(/s)


9 posted on 04/12/2012 6:52:47 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: shortstop

The Duke Lacrosse affair didn’t go to trial. This one won’t either. It’s a clear case of self defense. It’s all show.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 6:54:22 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Pecos

GZ isn’t in general pop. He has his own cell.


11 posted on 04/12/2012 6:56:38 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Arm_Bears

If Trayvon Martin was standing his ground against an armed stalker, I’d say the blame is squarely on the armed stalker.


12 posted on 04/12/2012 6:56:51 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: skeeter
I wonder if the charge was 'suggested' by the USDOJ with the expectation of an acquittal and resultant race riots.

That is not beyond anything else I have seen from little bammy's crew of communists, so your theory has merit.

The prosecutor my be maxing out the charge in order to get GZ to plea deal to a lesser charge.

It will take a pretty crafty lawyer to defend him on this one as there are so many factions involved. I listened to the prosecutor's speech (live) yesterday and it sounded like she was introducing all the stars at Oscar night. I did not believe the crap she spouted about proceeding with the case according to the strictest letter of the law for ONE SECOND.

NO.

The entire thing is dripping with political theater.

.p

13 posted on 04/12/2012 6:57:03 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Paladin2
The SMIRK on the Prosecutor’s face is what got me.
14 posted on 04/12/2012 6:57:12 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
The Duke Lacrosse affair didn’t go to trial. This one won’t either. It’s a clear case of self defense. It’s all show.

One would certainly hope so, but we are so far down the rabbit hole these days, we'll just have to wait and see.
15 posted on 04/12/2012 6:57:49 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: shortstop

And remember, the prosecution has the burden of proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, that it wasn’t self defense.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 6:57:49 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: shortstop
Trayvon Martin was indeed murdered. He was murdered by a media that, for its own enrichment, constantly bombards young people with the message that it's "cool" to be a "gangsta".

And, these are the folks that should have been in jail long ago.

17 posted on 04/12/2012 6:57:56 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: shortstop

“It’s George Zimmerman’s fault that Trayvon Martin is dead. If Zimmerman had stayed home or in his vehicle, none of this would have happened.”

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Utter ignorance.

Yeah, and if whites don’t protect their property the savages can destroy the REST of the country, but.....golly...at least they won’t be shot.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 6:59:58 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: TLI

I found her comment that she was ‘seeking justice for Trayvon’ rather than seeking justice, period, interesting.


19 posted on 04/12/2012 7:00:23 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: shortstop

” and riot police are probably going to get called out.”

Isn’t that the plan anyway?


20 posted on 04/12/2012 7:00:36 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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