Alabama Supreme Court: Serious Questions About Authenticity of Obama's Birth Certificates

“I just wish people would quit putting out silly critiques of it (usually based on their lack of understanding about adoptions and birth certificates.) and point out a real flaw. (if one exists.) “

Oh brother. Sorry to waste your precious time.

Your theory consists of a litany of

might have
may have
possibly happened
could have
I have offered a suggestions
it was a blunder
“legal” forgeries

because we are all to stupid to understand your SO HIGHLY COMPLEX THAT YOU MUST BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO UNDERSTAND IT adoption theory.

Flaw #1

He wasn’t President when his FIRST “forged” COLB came out. He was a candidate.

What other citizen gets to double check “alterable” PDF files sent to them with ALL the security features in place while checking for mistakes or objectionable information? They won’t even give Duncan S. his sister’s long form birth certificate when he is legally entitled to it.

Flaw #2

The White House says the PDF came second. It did not. It came first. That is the lie right there.
The security stamps were added to a computer file not a hard copy. Get it? Why are they lying? Why are you making excuses for their lie?

Flaw #3

He has THREE forged documents floating around out there. Two birth certificates and one selective service record. And most likely a stolen SS#.

“it is because it is the only one of which I have heard that does not POSTULATE A MASSIVE AND RIDICULOUS CONSPIRACY AMONG NUMEROUS GOVERNMENTAL OFFICIALS AND ATTORNEYS ALL RISKING PRISON TO PULL IT OFF.”

Yeah, I mean it’s not like any officials would illegally run guns to Mexico, killing two US citizens and hundreds of Mexicans.

Or the Selective Service officials would decline to show a highly respected law enforcement agency an original record or anything.

“It is because it is the only one of which I have heard that does not POSTULATE A MASSIVE AND RIDICULOUS CONSPIRACY AMONG NUMEROUS GOVERNMENTAL OFFICIALS AND ATTORNEYS ALL RISKING PRISON TO PULL IT OFF.”

Oh and it’s not like a guy who “cauterized” Obama’s passport file wound up with a job as Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and Assistant to the President.

Or the National Archives just happens to be missing records for the week he was supposedly born.

Or Stanley Ann’s first passport files have been destroyed or are missing.

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because we are all to stupid to understand your SO HIGHLY COMPLEX THAT YOU MUST BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO UNDERSTAND IT adoption theory.

If you keep talking like this I am going to conclude that you are right. I wouldn't call myself a rocket scientist, but this is the sort of thing I do for a living.

Flaw #1

He wasn’t President when his FIRST “forged” COLB came out. He was a candidate.

And it is this same COLB (not the Daily Kos version though) that Hawaiian officials later said was absolutely genuine. That ought to be a clue for you.

What other citizen gets to double check “alterable” PDF files sent to them with ALL the security features in place while checking for mistakes or objectionable information?

I would suggest that any of them who were using an attorney to go through a process amending or nullifying a previous adoption. How often does that happen do you think?

They won’t even give Duncan S. his sister’s long form birth certificate when he is legally entitled to it.

That is interesting, but not conclusive regarding Obama's PDF. Your "Flaw #1 is a big fat nothing.

Flaw #2

The White House says the PDF came second. It did not. It came first. That is the lie right there.

So? How is that a flaw with MY theory? I have repeatedly said that the PDF was first. How do you suppose they CREATE new fake birth certificates?

The security stamps were added to a computer file not a hard copy. Get it?

Absolutely. I've been saying the same thing all along. The White House lying is nothing new. They lie everyday about everything.

Why are they lying?

Because they are Democrats, and would get lynched if they told the truth.

Why are you making excuses for their lie?

Why are you accusing me of making excuses for their lies? Lying is the air they breath over there. Why are you so shocked that the lyingest liar in history is once again lying? Flaw #2 is also a big fat nothing.

Flaw #3

He has THREE forged documents floating around out there. Two birth certificates and one selective service record. And most likely a stolen SS#.

From what I have seen, it seems highly likely that his selective service application is faked, and his Social Security # ought not belong to him. The difference between these two things and his birth certificate is that as President, he can prohibit any cooperation for anyone looking into his FEDERAL records, but his STATE records are maintained in accordance with the laws of the pertinent state, which in this case is Hawaii.

In other words, he can't order them to just do what he wants, he has to get them to do it by going through a process which they will recognize as legitimate. Of course if you want to believe the alternative, (that Hawaiian officials are members of his cult and will break laws and endanger their own careers and freedom for their idol) then you argument has a different problem.

I am not going to go the "conspiracy" route unless the evidence is extremely convincing. Your Flaw #3 is a big bust in my opinion. This is exactly what i'm talking about, you aren't coming up with anything that really pokes a hole in the theory.

What would be an actually good flaw for you to point out would be an example of a recently produced long-form Hawaiian birth certificate that actually has a hand stamp and signature (Danae's?) so as to demonstrate that it is NORMALLY stamped rather than printed.

That wouldn't be conclusive, but it would certainly be a better flaw to point out than your non-sequiturs above.

Danae, is your document stamped by an actual stamp, or is the stamp just printed on like my birth certificate?

Yeah, I mean it’s not like any officials would illegally run guns to Mexico, killing two US citizens and hundreds of Mexicans.

That is a "conspiracy" between Eric Holder and Obama. The Agents in the field are the one's who blew the whistle on this little operation, and they all WORK for these two. Trying to say that State Officials who are not under the Federal chain of command will break the law in a manner likely to get them sent to prison is much less likely.

Even in the Fast and Furious scandal, they can (and are) always plead that they just made a mistake, but it was nothing criminal mind you. I have no doubt these guys will break any law they find inconvenient, I just don't think they will do so openly or in a manner which they cannot control.

Or the Selective Service officials would decline to show a highly respected law enforcement agency an original record or anything.

There is an Executive Order banning the release of any information in the Federal Records relating to Barack Obama. Did you forget about this?

It isn't a "conspiracy" involving many people across multiple agencies, it is one guy issuing an order to prevent access to his records.

Oh and it’s not like a guy who “cauterized” Obama’s passport file wound up with a job as Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and Assistant to the President.

It was a Democrat Private contractor who's people were involved in examining Obama's Passport records. Obama is a Thug from Chicago, I have little doubt that he and his people will engage in criminal activities, But They are not official record keepers for a state government who knew that their work was going to be very heavily scrutinized.

Or the National Archives just happens to be missing records for the week he was supposedly born.

That is one of the findings from the Cold Case posse, and it is extremely interesting, but Obama only has to issue an order to block out that information and it is just him doing his normal criminal stuff, utilizing his power as the head of the FEDERAL government to order FEDERAL employees to do what he says. Obviously, a Federal employee doing what he is told does not constitute a "conspiracy" between Obama and the Federal employee. It constitutes an employee following what he believes to be legitimate orders from his boss.

Or Stanley Ann’s first passport files have been destroyed or are missing.

Most likely stolen or destroyed by the employees of that same Democrat Contractor. Again, it doesn't explain how he can get several people in a STATE government (Including two Governors) to do illegal things that he wants.

I have little doubt that Obama will commit criminal acts and conspire with others to commit criminal acts. I just think it is too great of a stretch to believe his power extends to officials not under his control and who will have to answer for any illegalities they commit.

Remember the Democrat Attorney in Hawaii who would not certify him? If Obama had the control that you think he has, that guy would have signed off on him without a hitch. The Fact that the guy balked indicates he was afraid of the consequences. Nancy Pelosi ended up having to sign the certification document.

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Thanks for that. You do excellent work. I am often amazed at the information you discover. Yes, this piece of information is highly suspicious. It is an excellent piece of circumstantial evidence regarding Obama's possible birth outside of the country.

And it is this same COLB (not the Daily Kos version though) that Hawaiian officials later said was absolutely genuine.

Show me a link to that fact. To my knowledge Hawaiian officials have never said his first or any other COLB was absolutely genuine. They've said they don't know exactly what that digital image on his "Fight The Smears" website represents and then only IMPLY that it may be the correct information.

If memory serves me correctly, his "Fight The Smears" website has an "advertising disclaimer."

Yeah, they're going for plausible deniability. Privacy laws and all. Hell, it's not like they would charge him with a crime even if he admitted posting a fraud. By the way, it's always the lackeys and lawyers who do Obama's dirty work. Obama is a pure as the driven snow and he has no knowledge of why these forgeries keep popping up and he's never posted his birth certificate on any website.

That ought to be a clue for you.

Until I see the link that is not a clue for me.

I would suggest that any of them who were using an attorney to go through a process amending or nullifying a previous adoption. How often does that happen do you think?

Great, you suggest. I guess we can all go home now. You are the Hawaiian law expert here. Hawaii can do whatever they want and call it legal according to you especially if some judge approves it. I'm waiting for their Bozo The Clown birth certificate written in crayons and magic markers.

Giving access to the security features defeats the point of the security features but Obama is special. They have special rules for him according to your theory.

By the way, Butterdezillion explained the process for adoptions in her post above. I noticed that you didn't respond to her. She has done A LOT of research regarding Hawaiian birth laws.

They have repeatedly broken their UIPA laws. Blatantly so. Sorry, I don't trust them to do things legally when they have been so upfront in their lawbreaking. Not to mention Hawaii jerking Duncan S. around. They get a judge to change the meaning of the laws to suit their purposes and deny him what is rightfully and legally his. Democrats are allow to do this. There is your "legal illegalities" concept in action.

In addition, the vexatious requestors law, and "attempted Obama was born here law" and "the NOBODY can get a long form birth certificate anymore because of Obama" law?? makes me think they are covering for their illegalities.

Since we don't know who is responsible for creating and posting the PDF it remains to be determined what actual laws were broken and by whom. The Cold Case Posse is the best source here. They say "probable cause for forgery." That is where we are at. They see probable cause for ILLEGALITIES you don't.

The White House lying is nothing new. They lie everyday about everything. Because they are Democrats, and would get lynched if they told the truth. Lying is the air they breath over there. Why are you so shocked that the lyingest liar in history is once again lying?

Why are you so shocked that a large number of liars do criminal things? Especially Democrat liars.

that Hawaiian officials are members of his cult and will break laws and endanger their own careers and freedom for their idol) then you argument has a different problem.

Payoffs, bribes, coercion, threats? Who knows. They've managed to coerce the entire media into a lock-down on this topic

They've managed to get the military to throw one of there own in to Leavenworth for even daring to ask any questions about eligibility. You wrote a wonderful post about it in the past as I recall.

I didn't say that Hawaii has done anything for Obama. You are the one who is suggesting that they gave him special treatment and access to a PDF file, not me.

For all I know, Hawaii gave his lawyer documents stating he was only registered in Hawaii or a document with "amended" stamped all over them and someone outside Hawaii created the PDF.

I don't make the leap that what Hawaii gave his lawyer is what wound up on the website. That is the WHITE HOUSE STORY which a demonstrable lie.

I don't have time to respond to all the other points in your post. I'm just trying to squeeze in this response.

Look, we are actually on the same side (birther-wise) and it is pointless to go round and round here. Time will tell who did what and whether they will be able to or not be able to get away with. At this point it's all guessing anyway.

I am not doubting that they are willing to break the law. I am doubting they are willing to do it in such a way as to be held accountable for it. As I've mentioned before, I think they are more afraid of Hawaiian Democrat's retaliation than anything we can do to them.

I think they will use every legal trick possible to accommodate the President, and likewise use every legal trick possible to prevent us from proving he's not legit. I think they will bend or even break rules, procedures, and laws to assist him, provided that they believe they can do so without implicating themselves in something for which they can be held accountable.

I do not believe they will engage in blatant and provable violations of the law unless they think no one can bring charges against them for doing it. With the rest of the Hawaiian government on their side, I suspect they can feel pretty safe in this assumption.

Absolutely agree.