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To: DiogenesLamp
And it is this same COLB (not the Daily Kos version though) that Hawaiian officials later said was absolutely genuine.

Show me a link to that fact. To my knowledge Hawaiian officials have never said his first or any other COLB was absolutely genuine. They've said they don't know exactly what that digital image on his "Fight The Smears" website represents and then only IMPLY that it may be the correct information.

If memory serves me correctly, his "Fight The Smears" website has an "advertising disclaimer."

Yeah, they're going for plausible deniability. Privacy laws and all. Hell, it's not like they would charge him with a crime even if he admitted posting a fraud. By the way, it's always the lackeys and lawyers who do Obama's dirty work. Obama is a pure as the driven snow and he has no knowledge of why these forgeries keep popping up and he's never posted his birth certificate on any website.

That ought to be a clue for you.

Until I see the link that is not a clue for me.

I would suggest that any of them who were using an attorney to go through a process amending or nullifying a previous adoption. How often does that happen do you think?

Great, you suggest. I guess we can all go home now. You are the Hawaiian law expert here. Hawaii can do whatever they want and call it legal according to you especially if some judge approves it. I'm waiting for their Bozo The Clown birth certificate written in crayons and magic markers.

Giving access to the security features defeats the point of the security features but Obama is special. They have special rules for him according to your theory.

By the way, Butterdezillion explained the process for adoptions in her post above. I noticed that you didn't respond to her. She has done A LOT of research regarding Hawaiian birth laws.

They have repeatedly broken their UIPA laws. Blatantly so. Sorry, I don't trust them to do things legally when they have been so upfront in their lawbreaking. Not to mention Hawaii jerking Duncan S. around. They get a judge to change the meaning of the laws to suit their purposes and deny him what is rightfully and legally his. Democrats are allow to do this. There is your "legal illegalities" concept in action.

In addition, the vexatious requestors law, and "attempted Obama was born here law" and "the NOBODY can get a long form birth certificate anymore because of Obama" law?? makes me think they are covering for their illegalities.

Since we don't know who is responsible for creating and posting the PDF it remains to be determined what actual laws were broken and by whom. The Cold Case Posse is the best source here. They say "probable cause for forgery." That is where we are at. They see probable cause for ILLEGALITIES you don't.

The White House lying is nothing new. They lie everyday about everything. Because they are Democrats, and would get lynched if they told the truth. Lying is the air they breath over there. Why are you so shocked that the lyingest liar in history is once again lying?

Why are you so shocked that a large number of liars do criminal things? Especially Democrat liars.

that Hawaiian officials are members of his cult and will break laws and endanger their own careers and freedom for their idol) then you argument has a different problem.

Payoffs, bribes, coercion, threats? Who knows. They've managed to coerce the entire media into a lock-down on this topic

They've managed to get the military to throw one of there own in to Leavenworth for even daring to ask any questions about eligibility. You wrote a wonderful post about it in the past as I recall.

I didn't say that Hawaii has done anything for Obama. You are the one who is suggesting that they gave him special treatment and access to a PDF file, not me.

For all I know, Hawaii gave his lawyer documents stating he was only registered in Hawaii or a document with "amended" stamped all over them and someone outside Hawaii created the PDF.

I don't make the leap that what Hawaii gave his lawyer is what wound up on the website. That is the WHITE HOUSE STORY which a demonstrable lie.

I don't have time to respond to all the other points in your post. I'm just trying to squeeze in this response.

Look, we are actually on the same side (birther-wise) and it is pointless to go round and round here. Time will tell who did what and whether they will be able to or not be able to get away with. At this point it's all guessing anyway.

89 posted on 04/02/2012 4:21:30 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
I am not doubting that they are willing to break the law. I am doubting they are willing to do it in such a way as to be held accountable for it. As I've mentioned before, I think they are more afraid of Hawaiian Democrat's retaliation than anything we can do to them.

I think they will use every legal trick possible to accommodate the President, and likewise use every legal trick possible to prevent us from proving he's not legit. I think they will bend or even break rules, procedures, and laws to assist him, provided that they believe they can do so without implicating themselves in something for which they can be held accountable.

I do not believe they will engage in blatant and provable violations of the law unless they think no one can bring charges against them for doing it. With the rest of the Hawaiian government on their side, I suspect they can feel pretty safe in this assumption.

90 posted on 04/03/2012 7:17:46 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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