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To: rightwingextremist1776
Truth is that legalization would suck the wind right out of the sails of the narco-terrorists just as it did to the mop that controlled alcohol during prohibition.

If a person of reasonable intelligence thinks about the issue for more than five seconds, he will realize that legalization will have no meaningful impact on "the narco-terrorists" - just as the end of Prohibition had negligible impact on organized crime in America.

Unless you are prepared to argue that the mob ceased to exist on December 5, 1933.

9 posted on 02/03/2012 11:07:02 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
the end of Prohibition had negligible impact on organized crime in America.

Unless you are prepared to argue that the mob ceased to exist on December 5, 1933.

False dichotomy - there is a spectrum of outcomes between "negligible impact" and "ceased to exist."

That being so, the burden of proof falls on the one making the claim. Where is the evidence for your claim that "the end of Prohibition had negligible impact on organized crime in America"?

13 posted on 02/03/2012 11:12:25 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: wideawake
I think one could make the case that legalizing marijuana would put some extreme pressure on the cartels. Despite being involved in all the other trafficking, marijuana is still their major commodity. Not all things about legalization are good. If you go to Vancouver B.C. where marijuana is almost legal, the streets are littered with kids trafficking marijuana to pay for their own habit. It is pretty sad.

The real question would be the state of the illegal marijuana trade once the government figures out a way to tax marijuana.

Smuggling is a crime that really comes down to two factors; a price difference, and a geo-political boundary. A perfect example is the trafficking of cigarettes from North Carolina (low tax) to New York (high tax). That market is much smaller than the illegal marijuana trade, but it still exists.

If the price point was big enough, it might make the current cartel marijuana trade still a profitable one. If anybody here thinks that California is going to put a modest tax on legal marijuana, they are already smoking something.

One thing that has been really overlooked, while Janet Napolitano has been preaching "secure as it has ever been," is that the cartels are taking over domestic transshipment routes and marijuana production. The state and national forests in California are no longer safe because armed Mexicans are tending huge marijuana grows. The coke trade north to Canada used to be conducted by Americans and Canadians. Now that business is being done more by illegal Mexicans. Illegal aliens that the Obama administration won't deport until they have an extensive criminal record.

59 posted on 02/03/2012 11:46:06 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: wideawake

‘If a person of reasonable intelligence thinks about the issue for more than five seconds, he will realize that legalization will have no meaningful impact on “the narco-terrorists” - just as the end of Prohibition had negligible impact on organized crime in America.

Unless you are prepared to argue that the mob ceased to exist on December 5, 1933.’

I find that to be a specious argument also, as the number of criminals dropped from a large percentage of the population to a small percentage. A large class of crimes disappeared, which in turn meant fewer criminals.

The ‘mob’ moved on to other profitable crimes, like illegal drugs. In fact, I’d argue that the mob has profited greatly by the War on Drugs. The government keeps this racket going.


89 posted on 02/03/2012 12:05:15 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: wideawake

Prohibition CREATED the mob. THAT genie wasn’t ever going to be put back in the bottle.


117 posted on 02/03/2012 12:28:24 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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To: wideawake

Other than eliminating a huge revenue stream, legalization would have absolutely no effect on organized crime. And we all know how they still control the vast illegal moonshine industry o.0


129 posted on 02/03/2012 12:37:57 PM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: wideawake

“just as the end of Prohibition had negligible impact on organized crime in America

Unless you are prepared to argue that the mob ceased to exist on December 5, 1933.”

It didn’t disappear, no, but that’s because it had other laws to exploit, such as those governing organized labor, heroin, gambling, and prostitution. Not to mention they never again owned an entire city like they did prohibition Chicago.


192 posted on 02/03/2012 1:48:21 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: wideawake

So the gist of your argument is that the mob is still heavily involved with the production and distribution of alcohol? Or maybe they just moved on to something else then? Your argument lacks both logic and substance..the Mob of today is a nothing but a shadow of what they were back “in the day” let alone the complete lack of criminal involvement in the manufacture and distribution of spirits. You need to find a new argument...that dog don’t hunt.


326 posted on 02/06/2012 4:37:09 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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