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To: ladymac
I sure would like to put her in her place, but this article made me so angry that I can't think of the right words to say. I could use the help of some good writers..

Your words from your initial post (above) prove:
(1) your preferred mode of response is attempt to humiliate;
(2) your response to challenges to your local loyalties is to lose your temper;
(3) your reaction is to admit, at least temporarily, your rage causes you to lose ability to think or respond appropriately;
(4) you'd like to manipulate others to take up the offenses to your dignity on your behalf by demeaning that of your "friend" in a way that you can't; and
(5) you can't or don't want to think about what you had written.
Remember, this is not a criticism or an attack, it is just an observation of what you wrote above.

Then you wrote to me:

Articulation is not a measuer of intelligence.

Well, it is, in fact, to a great degree. It also includes grasp of vocabulary, grammar, logic, and "social quotient" -- all tools of the effective writer -- as is a knowledge of the audience. Without intelligence communication falls apart.

To the contrary, many people with high IQs are socially and verbally awkward.

Is this how you characterize intelligent people, or only intellectuals? Are you including yourself in this group? You know, those afflicted with lesser gifts often demonstrate the same awkwardnesses. What is your point?

Likewise, many people who are articulate lack intelligence (Obama).

Not generally true. Sounds like relying on a statement of personal opinion without documentation, as an appeal to authority. This would rate an F in debate. Regarding dislike of Mr. Obama, it would be a capital error to underestimate his shrewdness.

I do not have to defend my IQ to you.

Never asked you to -- only suggested you think calmly and critically. You will display your own "IQ" by your own words. If you really had a valid argument against your "friend's" hypothesis, you wouldn't need a bigger hammer to drive your point home.

I didn’t come here to argue.

No, you came to enroll someone(s) who would do your arguing for you. But you took offense when your motive and premise came under question, rightfully.

I came here for help from my fellow conservatives. And I do appreciate help and contructive criticism,...

This is help, if you could recognize it. However, that requires a humble response, not arrogance and rage. But I guess rhe "help" you wanted was getting someone to side with you against your "friend," not finding a convincing argument nor conciliatory attitude of your own. How much do you love your "friend?"

...but not from smart-asses like yourself.

As an observation, my experience of individuals with incompleted personal development and limited vocabulary is their response to frustrating situations with rage and cursing, when cool thought and self-control are needed but beyond them.

Can you prove that Alabama culture is not inferior to, say, Massachusetts or California? If so, go to it!

With sincere concern --- I'll accept your apology after you carefully think this through. Until then --

36 posted on 01/27/2012 9:58:28 PM PST by imardmd1 (cogito ergo sum)
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To: imardmd1
Can you prove that Alabama culture is not inferior to, say, Massachusetts or California? If so, go to it!

Don't the liberals sententiously inform us (under the rubric of "multiculturalism") that all cultures are equal?

If so, why do so many liberals avoid Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and other Southern states?

They contradict their claims by their own lives.

Secondly -- define "inferior": what is the yardstick? Average household income? Incidence of chlamydia per 1,000 women between the ages of 13 and 50? Percentage of adults above age 18 with a college degree or higher? Number of major league sports franchises?

In order to avoid spurious claims one is supposed to start with the null hypothesis: which in this case is supposed to be that all states are of equal quality. One might just as well ask someone who holds the superiority of California, to prove its superiority, rather than taking it as axiomatic (petitio principii.)

Incidentally -- regarding your response to the prior poster...no such things are proved as you asserted.

As a counterexample, consider the following anecdote from the now-defunct Games magazine, from memory:

A passenger train is going through some pastures and the passengers look out the window and see a brown cow.

1st passenger: Look! All cows are brown.

2nd passenger (college student): No, all cows in this country are brown.

3rd passenger (college graduate): No, all cows on this side of the train are brown.

4th passenger (Mensa member: No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side.

5th passenger (Games magazine reader): (triumphantly) No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side at least part of the time.

You overstated the living sh*t out of your case, dude.

Instead of prove you should have said may indicate.

Cheers!

37 posted on 01/27/2012 10:24:21 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: imardmd1
Can you prove that Alabama culture is not inferior to, say, Massachusetts or California? If so, go to it!

Don't the liberals sententiously inform us (under the rubric of "multiculturalism") that all cultures are equal?

If so, why do so many liberals avoid Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and other Southern states?

They contradict their claims by their own lives.

Secondly -- define "inferior": what is the yardstick? Average household income? Incidence of chlamydia per 1,000 women between the ages of 13 and 50? Percentage of adults above age 18 with a college degree or higher? Number of major league sports franchises?

In order to avoid spurious claims one is supposed to start with the null hypothesis: which in this case is supposed to be that all states are of equal quality. One might just as well ask someone who holds the superiority of California, to prove its superiority, rather than taking it as axiomatic (petitio principii.)

Incidentally -- regarding your response to the prior poster...no such things are proved as you asserted.

As a counterexample, consider the following anecdote from the now-defunct Games magazine, from memory:

A passenger train is going through some pastures and the passengers look out the window and see a brown cow.

1st passenger: Look! All cows are brown.

2nd passenger (college student): No, all cows in this country are brown.

3rd passenger (college graduate): No, all cows on this side of the train are brown.

4th passenger (Mensa member: No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side.

5th passenger (Games magazine reader): (triumphantly) No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side at least part of the time.

You overstated the living sh*t out of your case, dude.

Instead of prove you should have said may indicate.

Cheers!

38 posted on 01/27/2012 10:26:06 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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