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To: Seizethecarp; WhiskeyX

The HI statutes (or was it the Administrative Rules?) say that the child is given the last name of the mother’s husband if she is married and that man is listed as the father, regardless of who is the biological father. Beyond that point if they want to change the paternity on the BC they need to file to have it changed and it will only be changed if the biological father signs an affidavit saying he is the child’s biological father.

If she is single, her maiden name is used for the child’s surname. If she lists a biological father on the BC that is only considered legally binding if paternity is established by a court or if the biological father signs an affidavit acknowledging paternity. I can’t remember for sure but I believe that the child would still have the mother’s last name.

If the single mother lists a biological father and then she marries the biological father the birth is legitimized, so that the child has the father’s name and the BC is altered to make it appear that the couple was married at the time of the birth.

This is what I’m remembering off the top of my head so it should probably be checked for sure. I’ve got several irons in the fire right now, or I’d double-check myself.

The thing about this, though, is that when somebody is admitted to the hospital they have to give some kind of documentation of who they are. I would imagine the same would have been true then. I could go to a hospital and CLAIM to be Mrs Justin Bieber (can you tell I’ve got a young daughter? lol) but if I didn’t have an ID card of some kind that actually identified me as Nellie Bieber, I doubt that they would allow me to put that name on a birth certificate.

So if Ann was never married to Barack then she was guilty of swearing to fraudulent data on the BC. And if she never had ID that called her last name Obama, then she could not have gotten away with using a different name on a HOSPITAL BC. IOW, it would have to be a non-attended birth for her to get away with that.

So if that’s what happened, everything Hawaii AND Ann AND Obama AND the passport office have done is pure bunk. Fraud, through and through.


568 posted on 01/21/2012 8:36:52 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Keep this in mind.

The Dr who helped Lolo and Ann in his immigration battle was some kind of Assistant Chief of Staff in the Maternity ward prior to Obama’s birth...as in several years. Don’t know where he was the year that Obama was born.

This is off the top of my head. I don’t have Lolo’s file to look up the name of that guy.


577 posted on 01/21/2012 8:52:19 AM PST by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: butterdezillion
“The HI statutes (or was it the Administrative Rules?) say that the child is given the last name of the mother’s husband if she is married and that man is listed as the father, regardless of who is the biological father.

“So if Ann was never married to Barack then she was guilty of swearing to fraudulent data on the BC.”

Stanley Ann cannot be held criminally liable for fraudulently placing the name of the man the INS believed was a bigamist on her hospital BC for Barry (if indeed she did) if she did not know of the marriage to Kezia at the time of the birth.

A bigamous marriage is a nullity so HI statutes would not recognize the marriage, if it were ever litigated and proved to have been bigamous, IMO. In that case SADO would have been legally single at the time of the birth for citizenship purposes, IMO.

IMO, there is no legitimate HI BC because Barry was most likely born in Kenya, shown by the internal Kenyan government docs obtained by Corsi showing evidence that his BC was stolen from the Kenyan files...and Rahm’s mystery trip to Kenya in December 2008!

628 posted on 01/21/2012 9:58:03 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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