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Tea Party vs. the GOP establishment - Begging for a brokered convention...
Flopping Aces ^ | 12-06-11 | Vince

Posted on 12/06/2011 6:22:03 PM PST by Starman417

For much of the last three years, I, like so many others who were so despondent after the election of 2008, assumed that the election of 2012 was finally going to provide the American people with a real choice of philosophies.

On the one side you have President Obama and the progressive / fascist utopia. (Fascist in the economic sense – where private property remains, but government dictates its usage – rather than the Nazi anti-Semitic / nationalist sense.) This utopia is where government plays the role of caretaker of the nation, where government tells citizens what they can and can’t do with their property, what they must buy and where they must invest, where unions have the power to coerce both government officials and private corporations that pay their members salaries.

On the other side the Tea Party was going to make sure that for the first time in 30 years a conservative nominee would be the standard-bearer of the Republican Party. The platform would include radically smaller government, less intrusive government, and lower taxes coupled with a less complicated tax code – maybe even the Fair Tax – and a strict adherence to the 10th Amendment. Life was indeed going to be good again and prosperity would soon come roaring back.

Given the failure of everything progressive, from welfare to education to the USSR to practically the entire European continent, Americans would finally be given the choice between continuing down that well trod path to failure and a going down that forgotten path of economic liberty that was the foundation of American prosperity since the revolution.

Somehow, somewhere along the road leading to that fateful, Solomanic fork in the road, something went wrong. Not on the left. No, President Obama has indeed been as progressive as most of us feared, and in some cases far worse. Actually, the problem is on the right. Where many of us were hoping that the standard-bearer of the GOP would be a clean, if not perfect, conservative, increasingly it looks as if the nominee is going to be someone other than that.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
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1 posted on 12/06/2011 6:22:12 PM PST by Starman417
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To: Starman417

RNC called me recently.

I told them I was very angry with the Republican Party.

I still am.

I don’t and won’t beg anything from them.


2 posted on 12/06/2011 6:25:40 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Starman417

AG-NTSA


3 posted on 12/06/2011 6:26:12 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: combat_boots

Bachmann and Cain have been my 1st choices with Santorum as the acceptable compromise.


4 posted on 12/06/2011 6:31:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: combat_boots

Rush needs to get a Republican Operation Chaos started for the primaries. Split the vote 3-4 ways so nobody can get any momentum going and they all stay in till the convention. Then don’t choose any of them and nominate a ticket of Paul Ryan/Marco Rubio for POTUS and VP. The left would be beside themselves and by choosing a guy who could debate cirlces around Obama on anything fiscal, Obama would be dead meat.


5 posted on 12/06/2011 6:37:39 PM PST by milwguy
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To: milwguy

I agree with your post 99 percent. I don’t want Rubio as he is not a NBC. I know that Obama isn’t anyway, but why should we help destroy the constitution. Plus, Rubio says he is not interested. Paul Ryan/Michele Bachmann.


6 posted on 12/06/2011 6:45:53 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: Starman417
Disaster. Who do you think runs the convention? A brokered convention would guarantee a Romney nom. Don't even think about it.
7 posted on 12/06/2011 6:46:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Good post. I was hoping someone would beat me to it.

Tea Party wants a brokered convention MY Ass.

More Democrat wet dream nonsense.


8 posted on 12/06/2011 6:49:06 PM PST by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: Starman417

The apprehension I have with a brokered convention is that the compromise might be Jeb Somebody. And that would spell doom, as the after taste still lingers.

The establishment Republicans are less concerned with winning the White House in 2012, as long as they keep the House and possibly gain the Senate. Thus, they will not swing their support to a strict conservative, unless possibly they can get a moderate of their choice as the VP.

A brokered convention would probably be an even worse crap shoot than the primaries. A lot more crap.


9 posted on 12/06/2011 6:49:53 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: cripplecreek

Hiyas, CC.

Cain was my guy when Palin said no and Perry threw a rod. Frankly, I’d take Trump. Santorum sounds whiny but has sound principles. I had thought Bachmann just wanted to be Mittens’ Veep/Lady-in-waiting.

I want a fighter. Cause come Jan, 2013, with all the Easter eggs in regulations and 0bama Deathcare springing into action, this country is going to need a T-Rex patriot with the lethality of a sea snake, the sting of a brown recluse and the instincts of a bloodhound.

These big government answer types are out to kill us all if we won’t be enslaved to their whims and fancies. I loathe them all.


10 posted on 12/06/2011 6:50:13 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: milwguy

I could go with that.

I don’t, however, want a career politician.


11 posted on 12/06/2011 7:00:50 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Starman417
Personally I like Bachmann but I think she needs some more experience. She'd be a good VP. I Really liked Cain and actually despite his problems I still do, but as unfair as the MSM was , he didn't handle the situation too well. I'd love to see him as Treasury or maybe Fed Chair. I don't trust Mittens or Newt, but of the two I'll take Newt.

Having said all this, it's probably going to be either Newt or Mitt. IMHO sitting out this election is not an option because that's a vote for Hussein. Third party? Again, not an option because we'll end up with Mr 35% approval being reelected. Bottom line: Once we get a nominee we need to be solid, no brokered or split convention.

Another 4 years of the magic muslim and we won't have a country much less another election.

12 posted on 12/06/2011 7:03:12 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Starman417

Fascist in the economic sense – where private property remains, but government dictates its usage – rather than the Nazi anti-Semitic / nationalist sense.)

They are fascist in every sense.

I spit on them.


13 posted on 12/06/2011 7:05:22 PM PST by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: milwguy

1. Delegates are party insiders. A brokered convention would almost ensure a Romney nomination once the pledged delegates are released.

2. Rubio is not eligible.


14 posted on 12/06/2011 7:08:58 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: combat_boots

Paul Ryan may be career politician but at least he is willing to tell the American people the truth about the fiscal condition our country is in....I see in a British paper this comment which also applies equally to the USA.........At the heart of much brainless thinking is the hope that we can somehow ring-fence our cosy, wildly over-entitled social model from the icy winds of Asian competitiveness. This is utter folly. To have a chance to compete with the Chinese, Indians and Koreans, we shall have to work harder, pay ourselves less, retire later, and accept major cuts in social benefits.
Scarcely any country in Europe yet accepts such realities.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2070419/Why-euro-liars-stop-deceiving—themselves.html#ixzz1foa0fuyL


15 posted on 12/06/2011 7:19:50 PM PST by milwguy
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To: milwguy

I challenge anyone reading this to go look at any of the competitive bidding sites where freelancers go, such as eLance.

What you will see are people with entire company support out of India, Hong Kong and Malaysia who bid on contracts requiring serious technical expertise—which they appear to have—at 10% of the price many Americans must have to support ourselves modestly.

No joke.

Milwguy, I don’t disagre, for the most part, but we need protection and tariffs that push these folks away from us. They are stealing everything—and we’ve given it to them like Christmas presents gone wild. They, however, do not return the favor. No one. We are being robbed blind.

Indians have even been known to negotiate H1B contracts that provide them with ONE MONTH OFF after someone comes here to marry them. Or, should they go back to India for the marriage.


16 posted on 12/06/2011 7:34:33 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Starman417

I intend to be a deligate to the State Convention. Have been before.

I have a dog in the fight this time and would like to be a delegate to the national Convention.

A brokered Convention? Possible.

RINOs are fore warned.


17 posted on 12/06/2011 7:44:25 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: combat_boots

I do not disagree the rules need to change. Between stoeln intellectual property from the Chinese, sweat shop labor in Vietnam, off shoring tech support to India, etc. we have been taken advantage of. Add in the envirowacko obsession with developing our vast energy resources, and we have a recipe for diasaster.

We need someone to clear present what the issues are (ie unfair competition, onerous regulatory burdens, unwieldy tax code, etc) and then present how we can get our competitiveness back. Newt and Romney ain’t the ones who can articulate that kind of vision for America.


18 posted on 12/06/2011 7:45:42 PM PST by milwguy
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To: Starman417

We need a young Dick Cheney Clone.


19 posted on 12/06/2011 7:45:53 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Starman417

“On the other side the Tea Party was going to make sure that for the first time in 30 years a conservative nominee would be the standard-bearer of the Republican Party. The platform would include radically smaller government, less intrusive government,......”

Glad to see this view open to discussion. Can’t speak for the Tea Party, but would guess their goals as enumerated haven’t changed. The attrition of conservative candidates before any primaries so far has not been encouraging, and I have to think the MSM and other manipulators of public opinion deserve considerable credit, and further, the slightly different approach of late in cheer leading for Newt suggests his attributes are judged the easier to defeat next November. A teflon coated (kevlar if you prefer) candidate coming to the fore at this time would be dread for the Democrat propaganda machine, which is incapable of anything positive to say on behalf of their ultimate candidate.


20 posted on 12/06/2011 8:12:51 PM PST by corvus
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