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Consensus breaking out: Not Newt
Washington Post ^ | December 4, 2011 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 12/04/2011 6:04:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

On Friday, I suggested that Republicans “could pull a name out of a hat and find a more consistent and personally stable conservative” than Newt Gingrich. Many smart conservatives seem to agree. (VictorDavisHanson points out that with Gingrich as the nominee the GOP would forfeit the “crony capitalism” issue; No one has been a bigger crony than he.)

The latest and perhaps brightest warning flare to the right is sent up by GeorgeWill. There are too many delicious lines in his column from which to choose a favorite. (e.g.,“There is almost artistic vulgarity in Gingrich’s unrepented role as a hired larynx for interests profiting from such government follies as ethanol and cheap mortgages”; “Gingrich, who would have made a marvelous Marxist, believes everything is related to everything else and only he understands how.”) George patiently explains to those who think the conservative movement began with the Internet and is defined by those who can burnish the most withering rhetoric: “Conservatism inoculates against the hubristic volatility that Gingrich exemplifies.” Yes, Gingrich is what conservatism aims to save us from.

Now, George would choose TexasGov Rick Perry or Jon Huntsman. RameshPonnuru would take MittRomney. There is also RickSantorum to consider. Reasonable conservatives differ on the alternative, but other than sheer contrarianism and temporary amnesia it is hard (for those who want to maintain the ideological health of the conservative movement and win the WhiteHouse) to justify embracing Gingrich. That he is more “gregarious, upbeat” than he used to be is no reason to choose him as president or to declare he has turned over new leaf.

For those conservatives who are not systematically averting their eyes, Gingrich every day gives Republicans further reason to conclude there is no “New Newt,” only the same disorganized egomaniac who drove his House caucus to revolt.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: 2012; conservatism; gopprimary; notperryeither; rinos4romney; romneycare; rove4romney; tokyorove
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To: ez
Really, George Will calling Newt egotistical is the like the Pope calling Billy Graham too religious.

Nice!

141 posted on 12/04/2011 7:19:21 AM PST by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: BunnySlippers
Rick Perry’s Second Time At Bat....."Rick Perry is going to get a second look. He is the most consistent conservative in the race. In fact, this should be his race to lose given his positioning."..
142 posted on 12/04/2011 7:19:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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WAKE UP PEOPLE. This is how they choose our candidate for us. McCain was the only one they left alone in 2008. Romney and Huntsman are the only ones they are leaving alone in 2012. They slander and tell lies and demagogic half-truths about each candidate they want to lose and we SIT HERE AND PARTICIPATE IN THE DESTRUCTION.


143 posted on 12/04/2011 7:22:59 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: BunnySlippers

[BS. Not true, Prove it, you scum.]

You just did. And you forget, I can access your posting history at any moment and broadcast it the entire forum to embarrass you.

But I don’t think it would be appropriate to stoop to your level.


144 posted on 12/04/2011 7:23:33 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: ez
No, Newt was an effective leader of the conservative movement that had to be destroyed. I'm not looking for a choir boy (your words) I'm looking for someone to pull this country back from the brink of financial armageddon.

The left rolled him like a ball, and you think that easy target will be able to defeat Obama? LOL! If the Clintons were able to destroy him so easily, Obama will take him out in seconds and they won't even have to lie.

145 posted on 12/04/2011 7:23:40 AM PST by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The real world reality is staffers from the hypenated (dema-com) steno poll had more to do with Cain’s suspension followed by Romney RINO talkers disecting and parsing pregnant pauses. Not the Perrybots here in Freeper World.

Plus thinking an 13 year on and off whatever is not going to be trashed through up by somebody. Especially with all the dumpster diving that was going on.


146 posted on 12/04/2011 7:24:08 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Moses ..A nick name I received as a kid for warning another -It's a sin to tell a lie")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry would be lucky to carry Texas. Independents aren’t going to break Republican for a caricature of a cowboy with as much cronyism baggage as Perry has. I could see him carrying a few southern states at best.

Sing me up for Newt over Perry any day.


147 posted on 12/04/2011 7:24:43 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Really, can you please disclose whether or not you are being paid to promote Perry? I do think you are delusional in thinking Perry has any chance at this point.

So you either really like Perry or you are being paid to support him: Can you disclose which one it is?


148 posted on 12/04/2011 7:27:28 AM PST by AdamBomb
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To: sodpoodle
Don't know much about middle America do you? Don't know much about how married women think about a man who cheats? Don't know much about what women think of the woman who he cheated with do you?

Women might forgive it in their next door neighbor, but they won't want them in the Whitehouse as examples to their sons and daughters. Don't believe me? Fine, just watch.

149 posted on 12/04/2011 7:28:48 AM PST by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

So post it, scum,


150 posted on 12/04/2011 7:29:09 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Solson

Right on!
don’t act like the left - destroying others’ candidates without ever supporting your own by showcasing his/her strength!


151 posted on 12/04/2011 7:29:44 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think both Newt and Coburn have changed a little in the past 15-17 years.

Coburn endorsed McCain last go-around and flew to South Carolina ahead of its primary to do it. Not sure I’d consider his judgment rock solid.


152 posted on 12/04/2011 7:29:48 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Puddleglum

Independents and swing voters won’t step up for the likes of Newt.


153 posted on 12/04/2011 7:30:08 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Notwithstanding

Do you mean was the eventual 2008 primary winner ahead in the first four states in December of 2007?

McCain won NH, but didn’t overtake Romney until January.

Huckabee was ahead of Romney in Iowa by 14 points in Iowa in December, then won by 3.

McCain didn’t poll over Romney in SC until Jan 7 and didn’t overtake Huck until January 15th.

I’ve been of voting age for 3 presidential elections, and for two of those I was in Florida, and I can tell you that Florida’s presidential primaries are very, very volatile and don’t really start to shake into place until after the results are in for Iowa, NH, and SC.


154 posted on 12/04/2011 7:33:08 AM PST by LimberJim
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To: BunnySlippers
Independents and swing voters won’t step up for the likes of Newt.

Independents and swing voters will remember it was a big talking cowboy from Texas who got us into two interminable wars. They will remember the contrast between folksy promises and the economic morass that hid beneath a veneer of prosperity until the housing bubble imploded.

155 posted on 12/04/2011 7:35:00 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: BunnySlippers

It would be pointless to attempt having a normal conversation with you any further, so have a great day. If I did post what you yourself know is true, it would not prove to be for a good purpose. So I will decline.

I will not respond to you any longer and I encourage you to do the same.


156 posted on 12/04/2011 7:35:12 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: samtheman

No, it would strengthen my beliefs.


157 posted on 12/04/2011 7:35:41 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; Admin Moderator

This psycho is making personal attacks but not substantiating them.


158 posted on 12/04/2011 7:37:00 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: McGavin999

Chris Wallace on his interview with the conservative Tom Coburn. Coburn will not support Newt based on his 4 year experience with Newt as SOH.

i.e. Newt was too brusque, too bossy...could not bring the country together (oh no - like GWB tried to do?). Newt has no support from the GOP Congress. It was not the brilliant Clintons who destroyed Newt - it was intra-party jealousy.

Sounds a lot like Churchill and his party in the UK after he won a damn war!!!


159 posted on 12/04/2011 7:37:24 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newter the Democrats and newtralize the RINOS - the Senate, House & WHouse)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Gingrich, who would have made a marvelous Marxist, believes everything is related to everything else and only he understands how.

Gee, George, is that how we're defining "Marxist" these days? George Will's article would have been less annoying if it didn't include his support for the insufferable and phony Jon Huntsman.

160 posted on 12/04/2011 7:39:45 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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