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1 posted on 09/17/2011 7:29:55 AM PDT by Askwhy5times
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Yes, but the Dream Act more.


2 posted on 09/17/2011 7:31:25 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Why does so few (IA, NH, SC) decide so much?)
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If it’s such a good idea, why couldn’t it be voluntary? And voluntary as in opt-in, not run through bureaucratic hoops and intimidation to opt out.


4 posted on 09/17/2011 7:38:25 AM PDT by icanhasbailout
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Given the nature of politicians, anything that is worthwhile would stand on it's own merits under the light of full disclosure and voluntary participation.

Get caught lying once and expect that it will be remembered.

6 posted on 09/17/2011 7:44:09 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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Outrageous? Not in a country whose citizens want to be taken care of and protected from ourselves.

We want the best cradle to grave, big Mommy state possible.

We like our mandatory seat belt laws and helmet laws, bans on smoking everywhere, even in our own homes, alcohol checkpoints, government and union pensions and health care, etc. and we have little to no problem trading personal liberty and freedom for all of it.

Give us a road paved by good intentions that someone else pays for and a strong leader who will take care of us and we'll be good and quiet.

8 posted on 09/17/2011 7:45:19 AM PDT by GBA
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Penile cancer, colon and throat....

This is now a boy/girl vaccine.

Homosexuals have a BIG interest in it.

I'd like to know how many doses have been passed out to homosexuals.

9 posted on 09/17/2011 7:45:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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What’s outrageous is how everyone has gone into full on, hyper speed feeding frenzy over this (now old) issue whilst the dems/libs laugh their collective butts off at us.

Let’s refocus, kids!


10 posted on 09/17/2011 7:46:33 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly
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A-ha! Is that what makes this issue hot and—pardon the media parlance pun—sexy? Because somehow when the topic of “innocent little 12 year old girls” gets mixed up with protecting them from a virus that gets transmitted through sexual contact, it suddenly gets to be co-opted by politicians on the basis of protecting moral values—and it gets them airtime.


This is exactly what it is. Folks that are all atwitter over this Gardisil thing are upset that if a young lady decides to have out-of-wedlock-sex, she is protected from this disease.

What they fail to understand is that we do not live in a theocracy, and the VAST majority of us do not WANT to.


12 posted on 09/17/2011 7:49:41 AM PDT by Grunthor (Almost any republican currently running for POTUS would be light years better than Obama)
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“My dad is an OBGYN, so we weren’t afraid of using correct anatomical terminology or talking about human sexuality.”

Poor abused little chillens’.

(sarcasm)


14 posted on 09/17/2011 7:50:58 AM PDT by Grunthor (Almost any republican currently running for POTUS would be light years better than Obama)
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Well written analysis...some of the FReeper windbags need to read it... It amazes me that the dozen or so hard core Perry bashers don’t understand that most Americans and FReepers one, don’t care what they think, and two view anything that fights cancer as good.... Bachmann stepped in it with her lie...like I said before..she like my wife, and most women, can’t shut up after the man has conceded...they got to carry on. Then she goes on Leno and makes it pretty easy for most Americans to decide the girl is in way over her head...


18 posted on 09/17/2011 7:57:28 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ( WER)
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NO, it isn’t. Especially since he gave every parent in Texas the ability, in 2003, to opt out of any vaccines they deemed dangerous to the children. That is ANY IMMUNIZATIONS they deem dangerous to their children. Every Texas parent knows this, and thanks to Rick Perry we have it for the first time in Texas History. Immunization in Texas is now TOTALLY VOLUNTARY!

Also I have a 15 year old granddaughter whose mother chose in 2003 to take the opt out, or opt in if you want to deal in semantics, who gets to choose which needles get poked into her children, again thanks to Rick Perry’s legislation in 2003, four years before Gardasil was approved by the FDA.

My second thought is of some jock scoring in the back seat of a Chevy with any skank he can slam dunk with, who might possibly bring STD’s to my granddaughter if she’s eventually fool enough to fall for the ‘If you love me, you will have sex with me...’ routine that’s been pulled by every teenage boy since time immemorial. We have certainly kept her informed that the guys are going to try to pull this krap, and the possibility of their wanting to love her for life and support any children they beget ranks at about ZERO! And to have some respect for herself...it’s not a requirement to be the recipient of every jock’s wet dreams. And that she could be saddled for life with genital warts or herpes by one of these so-called loving individuals.

As for the Texas Dream Act, WE TEXANS sponsored that bill and had it passed into law because it was the right thing to do for these children raised in Texas.

As for the bi-national medical program, since when did selling tele-medicine across that border become bi-national insurance program. We sell everything across that border, including the masa and flour Mexican nationals use to make their staple tamales and tortillas. It’s produced by Pillsbury and General Mills...are you going to start yapping that we’ve got a bi-national flour and corn meal program and want to stop $billions of dollars in trade with Mexico? FOOLS!


19 posted on 09/17/2011 8:00:55 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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Here is what's different about the HPV vaccine. Diseases like HPV, HIV, and hepatitis are behaviorally obtained. The only way you are going to get them is by choice of actions. This is not the case with diseases like measles, mumps, and chicken pox where you don't even have to touch someone to get the disease. So this introduces a moral factor with the first group that is not applicable to the second group.

Understand also that because of the rising probability of autism, there is already a growing aversion to vaccines as a whole. So there are many parents out there who resist mandatory vaccination, myself being one of them. When my son was freshly born, the hospital wanted to give him a vaccination for Hepatitis B. It required a strong stand on my part to dissuade them from doing it. But in the end, I found out I still had a free choice. When the state requires that vaccines be received, that choice no longer exists.

(For the record, no vaccines applied during the first six months after birth do any good. The immune system is incapable of producing effective antibodies that early in life).

20 posted on 09/17/2011 8:01:36 AM PDT by Hoodat (God bless the Commonwealth)
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the pubies talk about the rights of the u.s. constitution.

the communists talk about “choice”.

so, it’s wrong no matter how you look at it.


25 posted on 09/17/2011 8:09:36 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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Dear Blugrass Pundit; FYI, your article takes liberties with the FAQ the CDC has put out on Gardasil.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-vaccine-young-women.htm

Love,

Til

PS: You also can’t believe what the CDC says.

PSS: Thought I’d let you know what the FDA says about your comment about age and immune system:

“Two studies were also performed to measure the immune response to the vaccine among younger females aged 9-15 years. Their immune response was similar to that found in 16-26 year olds, indicating that the vaccine should have similar effectiveness when used in the 9-15 year age group.”

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm096052.htm


27 posted on 09/17/2011 8:10:54 AM PDT by Til I am the last man standing (It's the internet Senators; We can see what you are doing!)
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No matter how well intentioned his actions were, this is still The United States of America where everyone is free to make those decisions, right or wrong, for themselves. His "order" smacks of dictatorship - and I'll eat as many french fries as I damn well please, moochelle 0bama!

FUBO GTFO! 491 Days until Noon Jan 20, 2013

29 posted on 09/17/2011 8:15:54 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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And one more for the road:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/feb/21/20070221-123326-7587r/


32 posted on 09/17/2011 8:20:40 AM PDT by Til I am the last man standing (It's the internet Senators; We can see what you are doing!)
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Was wrong then, and still wrong now. Not fond of mental gymnastics for the apology crowd so that we become mere cheerleaders.


48 posted on 09/17/2011 8:51:44 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore it seems)
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I deg to biffer -- the short AND the long answer are both "Yes," and there is justified outrage on the part of thoughtful free citizens over the matter.

Rationale that sharing the cost to make it more affordable required that it be a "mandatory" vaccine are once again, betrayals of conservative principle. Yes I know there was an opt-out, but what I wonder is (and would like to hear from any FReepers who know first-hand):

1. Was the opt-out difficult and cumbersome with paperwork, a go-out-of-your way process?

2. Was the opt-out such that the parent could opt-out for that particular vaccine and keep the others?

The reason I ask is that I've read anecdotal stuff that indicates that the opt-out protocol was complicated and a hassle, and that you didn't have the choice of ONLY opting out of the HPV vaccine, but it was an all-or-nothing opt-out. Don't know if it's true, and REGARDLESS --

Santorum said it best: that the purpose of mandated vaccines for school-age children is to prevent the immediate spread of certain sicknesses, that one kid getting sick endangered all, and that was the reason for the vaccines. This HPV vaccine is STRICTLY a presumptuous act of a nanny state, especially because a) it isn't to prevent the contagious spread of a disease, but to shield against consequences once the disease is contracted AND b) it addresses a potential health problem that won't even happen until the subject of the vaccine is very near adulthood. The HPV shots are pure nanny statism, an orange compared to the applies of childhood vaccines against measles, polio, etc.

Perry, Merck, the medical establishment, and any other entity, are welcome to encourage parents to use the vaccine for their girls in order to protect them in the future, but to mandate it with an opt-out is a betrayal of limited government conservatism. With the other vaccines, there's at least a little bit of sense and logic to the mandating of polio, whooping cough, mumps, etc. vaccines in school kids. But mandating the HPV shots because it would force the sharing of costs to lower the prices, was pure and simple overstepping of bounds.

89 posted on 09/17/2011 11:32:06 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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Oh yeah, since this gets the guys worried about their willie, stab them girls with Gardasil.

How about it just gets mandated for guys, then they don’t have to worry?


94 posted on 09/17/2011 11:47:17 AM PDT by dforest
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Keep spinning. There's nothing you can say or do that will mitigate this colossal abuse of power. He keeps calling it a "mistake." But unless it's an emergency, you err on the side of caution. There was no emergency, no epidemic, no crisis. The only urgency was the one being hyped by Merck and their lobbyists. Perry has no defense.

Perry's mistake was that he listened to his campaign donor instead of the people who entrusted him with power. That was their mistake.

97 posted on 09/17/2011 11:54:29 AM PDT by giotto
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How many more things will the government mandate for “our own good”?

This is a decision for the parents, not the state. Period.


135 posted on 09/17/2011 2:20:14 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Voting for Romney is surrendering to the Soviet Union rather than to the Nazis.”-FReeper Dead Corps)
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