Posted on 08/11/2011 8:19:24 PM PDT by DeskCaptain
"The third primary debate was held tonight. Which candidates helped themselves, and who ended the night in a worse position?
Tonight was Jon Huntsman's first appearance at a primary debate. Unlike Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain, who offered "red meat to the base" during their first appearances, Huntsman just fit in. Being a firebrand is simply not in Huntsman's personality, and he never attacked Mitt Romney, the man standing in his way in New Hampshire. Huntsman also suffered from receiving few questions. It's still unclear whether Huntsman is willing to do what's necessary to make a genuine run for the presidency...."
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Hildy, as a pro-abortion, pro-Romney woman that hates Governor Palin, you should have been pinged to post 98.
“Bachman doesn’t have much more to say than “fight”. She is an nice, gutsy lady, smart but limited message.”
Well put. I like her and her views are great but she seems to be in a tunnel with her answers (her first answer was totally off base; it’s as if she didn’t have a clue). One dimensional-ness will cause her to be treed like a coon by the (coon) hounds in the press and DimCraps. The “fighter” sharp claws won’t be able to save her.
Fighter, five kids, 23 adoptees, titanium spine, ran business, fought Obamacare and debt ceiling. That’s it. How many times have we heard and will we continue to hear that?
As an aside, she apparently almost didn’t make it back from the head (or somewhere) during the first break. And she headed back again during the second break. Cause theories?
Unfortunately, she is just not ready for prime time.
Hopefully, we can be rescued by the woman who is.
If Canada can do it I know we can. It’s gonna take experience and a lot of tough love (cuts) to our current Nanny State.
his intelligence, his principles, his leadership etc. He was condemned roundly so often for being “just an actor”.
No.
Cause theories? Stress, though she hides is very well. She appears drawn. I do like her and admire her grit and am astounded at her accomplishments. I would not want to play psychiatrist but I think she may be trying to please or prove something to someone besides Michelle.
Just watching again. The Paul tirade on Iran and related sections made the thing seem like the RON PAUL SHOW.
Poor Santorim tried to take advantage of the section to get a word in edgewise and some face time then they forced him out and let Paul rule the floor again. There he goes with that “Blow back” stuff again.
Wow, I really misunderstood.
Governor Palin is like Reagan in that sense, she earned the title “the most popular Governor in America” from that hard nosed, warrior mentality for conservatism, that is hidden behind her charming and winning personality, she knows how to sell conservatism.
The Weekly Standard July 16, 2007:
‘”The wipeout in the 2006 election left Republicans in such a state of dejection that they’ve overlooked the one shining victory in which a Republican star was born. The triumph came in Alaska where Sarah Palin, a politician of eye-popping integrity, was elected governor. She is now the most popular governor in America, with an approval rating in the 90s, and probably the most popular public official in any state.
Her rise is a great (and rare) story of how adherence to principle—especially to transparency and accountability in government—can produce political success. And by the way, Palin is a conservative who only last month vetoed 13 percent of the state’s proposed budget for capital projects. The cuts, the Anchorage Daily News said, “may be the biggest single-year line-item veto total in state history.”
As recently as last year, Palin (pronounced pale-in) was a political outcast. She resigned in January 2004 as head of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission after complaining to the office of Governor Frank Murkowski and to state Attorney General Gregg Renkes about ethical violations by another commissioner, Randy Ruedrich, who was also Republican state chairman.
State law barred Palin from speaking out publicly about ethical violations and corruption. But she was vindicated later in 2004 when Ruedrich, who’d been reconfirmed as state chairman, agreed to pay a $12,000 fine for breaking state ethics laws. She became a hero in the eyes of the public and the press, and the bane of Republican leaders.
In 2005, she continued to take on the Republican establishment by joining Eric Croft, a Democrat, in lodging an ethics complaint against Renkes, who was not only attorney general but also a long-time adviser and campaign manager for Murkowski. The governor reprimanded Renkes and said the case was closed. It wasn’t. Renkes resigned a few weeks later, and Palin was again hailed as a hero.
Palin, 43, the mother of four, passed up a chance to challenge Republican senator Lisa Murkowski, the then-governor’s daughter, in 2004. She endorsed another candidate in the primary, but Murkowski won and was reelected. Palin said then that her 14-year-old son talked her out of running, though it’s doubtful that was the sole reason.
In 2006, she didn’t hesitate. She ran against Gov. Murkowski, who was seeking a second term despite sagging poll ratings, in the Republican primary. In a three-way race, Palin captured 51 percent and won in a landslide. She defeated former Democratic governor Tony Knowles in the general election, 49 percent to 41 percent. She was one of the few Republicans anywhere in the country to perform above expectations in 2006, an overwhelmingly Democratic year. Palin is unabashedly pro life.
With her emphasis on ethics and openness in government, “it turned out Palin caught the temper of the times perfectly,” wrote Tom Kizzia of the Anchorage Daily News. She was also lucky. News broke of an FBI investigation of corruption by legislators between the primary and general elections. So far, three legislators have been indicted.
In the roughly three years since she quit as the state’s chief regulator of the oil industry, Palin has crushed the Republican hierarchy (virtually all male) and nearly every other foe or critic. Political analysts in Alaska refer to the “body count” of Palin’s rivals. “The landscape is littered with the bodies of those who crossed Sarah,” says pollster Dave Dittman, who worked for her gubernatorial campaign. It includes Ruedrich, Renkes, Murkowski, gubernatorial contenders John Binkley and Andrew Halcro, the three big oil companies in Alaska, and a section of the Daily News called “Voice of the Times,” which was highly critical of Palin and is now defunct.”’
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/851orcjq.asp?pg=1
Huntsman showe dwhat a RINO he is. Running as Nelson Rockefeller doesn’t cut it. He sounded like the kid in the band who cannot play the song and just toots random notes.
Pawlenty came across badly. I think this may hve been fatal for him.
Good night for Bachmann, Romney, Gingrich (who may just have proplelled himself right back into this race), Santorum, and Cain. Nice performances by all of them.
ron Paul was, well, Ron Paul.
Where wre Johnson, Roemer, and McCotter?
Why is Rick Perry afraid to stand on the stage with his fellow Republicans and take the heat like the eight of them did tonight?
NO matter my views Newt clearly won this debate. Bachmann may be 2nd. All but Huntsman were OK.
Here is Pawlenty in 2009.
11/14/2008—Human Events:
The “Republican governor eyeing a presidential run in 2012” appears to be Minnesota’s Tim Pawlenty. Pawlenty used his time at yesterday’s roundtable discussion to cast himself as the “modern” Republican while casting aspersions on the traditional conservative message, calling for outreach to the “new demographics,” deriding the GOP for allegedly being 15 years behind in the use of the Internet, and calling for the party not to be led by “a crank.” Pawlenty appears to have John McCain’s penchant for attacking conservatives rather than those in the other party.
Pawlenty in Miami was publicly angry, agitated, and even cranky, possibly because he found himself at odds with the far more conservative tone of every other speaker here. Hundreds of RGA members, who paid thousands of dollars to attend this Conference, wildly applauded “red meat” conservative pronouncements by speakers and not the more moderate and conservative-jabbing words by Pawlenty. And then there’s his “Palin problem,” real or imagined, that hit the fan yesterday in front of the national media, possibly upon the insistence of Pawlenty himself, as the above-reported comments to CNN by an anonymous presidential aspirant indicate.
One thing that seems clear in the wake of this sun-washed post-election Republican Governors Conference in Miami: If Sarah Palin makes a run for the White House in 2012, she’s going to have to overcome, as she did in Alaska, a “good ol’ boy network” that may not yet be comfortable with a Republican star in lipstick. Despite Hillary Clinton’s and her supporters’ charges of sexism during her primary run, nobody stepped in front of her to end one of her press conferences.
Palin chose not to have in Miami a Reagan-esque New Hampshire moment by saying something akin to “I’m paying for this microphone,” but that moment may come if anybody ever again tries to get between Sarah Palin and the national media — or something else she wants.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29511
I thought Huntsman and Pawlenty looked bad. Louysy performance; could be fatal.
I thought Huntsman and Pawlenty looked bad. Lousy performance; could be fatal.
I think Newt may have propelled himself back into the race. Michele was great. Cain adn Santorum stood out too.
Newt talks real pretty but we know his record and that ain’t pretty at all. Sorry Newt I believed in you for awhile years ago and you failed big time. Don’t let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!
I have some real misgivings about Ron Paul but it is not hard to see why he won the Foxnews poll 61.5 % last I looked that is almost twice all the others combined. He is the only one I believe would do all he could to bring fiscal change to government by shrinking it and ending this insane borrowing and spending.
As for the others, too slick. I don’t trust a single one of them, too GOP for me and the GOP lost my trust years ago.
Obama has got to go but I just am not seeing anyone yet that would do what it would take to bring this country back to sanity.
No, Bachmann ruined Pawlenty’s night. She exposed his record and wipoed the floor with him. She had a strong performance.
FOX News was the biggest loser!!!!!!!! Lousy questions, lousy attitude...Byron York is such a jerk.
Pawlenty was a jerk. I hope he implodes at the Straw Poll.
Bachmann may have been hurt some but not fatally.
Perry, Palin and others came out ahead too.
RINO Romney was the winner with
a wet loving lap dance by his fawning Chris Wallace
who NEVER asked a tough question of Romney
but pushed his opponents into death matches.
Newt won hands down. His ‘do something now’ closer rose above the politics of the nite - true statesmans stuff there.
Santorum good, Cain good but not as good as last time, Paul nuts, Pawlenty did himself no favors, Bachmann was so-so and one dimensional.
And then there was Romney. Seemed like he was good, but I noticed how the Fox panel was mostly kid gloves with him and didn’t draw him into any fights. They gave him a safe nite, but his downside is he had a safe nite. I can’t remember one thing he said. In the end he got lost.
Jon Huntsman - who?
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