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To: Mr Rogers
Yaaaawn.

Note - there are doubts about the meaning of NBC, and the court doesn’t try to resolve those doubt.

You're wrong as usual.

"Some authorities go further and include as citizens [ that's "citizens" - not natural born citizens] children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class ["This class" Ms. WKA - means NOT the natural born citizen class] there have been doubts, but never as to the first [first = NBCs]. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.” [is "to solve the doubts" of being "citizen," born within the jurisdiction, and again NOT about natural born citizen]."

6 posted on 06/24/2011 10:13:08 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Did you bother to read that quotation? It states that although there doubts as to whether a person acquires citizenship at birth without regard to the citizenship of the parents,it goes on to state: “For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.” Meaning the Court is not deciding that issue and the opinion is of not binding on that subject.


8 posted on 06/24/2011 10:23:58 PM PDT by Lou Budvis (Say No to Slick Willard)
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To: Red Steel

yes, red steel, you did not read the article closely.

No doubt means...no doubt. The first definition and the clearest one is a child born of two citizen parents. There is only one other case to consider: One citizen parent. The reason for the doubts is that there can be a whole bunch of special circumstances concerning age, which parent transmits citizenship, even military service. The job of the court was not to go through those cases. They simply recognized it is a complex area they weren’t going to touch in that case.

The way I put this is that Leo did what a good workman does. He taps on the wall until he hears that resonant “thud” that tells him where he can hang the painting so it doesn’t fall down.


11 posted on 06/24/2011 10:48:23 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: Red Steel

You aren’t very good at reading in context, are you?

But then, someone who can read more than one sentence will not be a birther.


19 posted on 06/25/2011 1:50:10 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Red Steel
"Some authorities go further and include as citizens [ that's "citizens" - not natural born citizens] children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents."

FIFY :-)

"This class" Ms. WKA - means NOT the natural born citizen class

The straight implication of your contention that MvH reads, "As to this class of citizen there have been doubts" is that MvH is in doubt about whether this second class of citizen exists at all. You really sure that's what you want to argue?

Waite was talking about classes of children, not citizens. It's right there in English.

Question: What does "without reference to the citizenship of their parents" mean?

[is "to solve the doubts" of being "citizen," born within the jurisdiction, and again NOT about natural born citizen]."

So NBCs are not "born within the jurisdiction"? Hadn't heard that one before.

25 posted on 06/25/2011 7:37:45 AM PDT by Nathanael1
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