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To: Red Steel
"Some authorities go further and include as citizens [ that's "citizens" - not natural born citizens] children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents."

FIFY :-)

"This class" Ms. WKA - means NOT the natural born citizen class

The straight implication of your contention that MvH reads, "As to this class of citizen there have been doubts" is that MvH is in doubt about whether this second class of citizen exists at all. You really sure that's what you want to argue?

Waite was talking about classes of children, not citizens. It's right there in English.

Question: What does "without reference to the citizenship of their parents" mean?

[is "to solve the doubts" of being "citizen," born within the jurisdiction, and again NOT about natural born citizen]."

So NBCs are not "born within the jurisdiction"? Hadn't heard that one before.

25 posted on 06/25/2011 7:37:45 AM PDT by Nathanael1
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To: Nathanael1
The straight implication of your contention that MvH reads, "As to this class of citizen there have been doubts" is that MvH is in doubt about whether this second class of citizen exists at all. You really sure that's what you want to argue?

Oh our new troll chimes in. Nowhere is there a "contention" that there are 2nd class citizens. "Includes as citizens" means just that. It means they are not natural born citizens because Waite compares them to children born in country and with citizen parents. You should read the syllabus FogBlower.

Here it is the link for your inCONvenience.

Syllabus SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES 88 U.S. 162 Minor v. Happersett

" ERROR to the Supreme Court of Missouri; the case being thus:

The fourteenth amendment [ERROR] to the Constitution of the United States, in its first section, thus ordains; [n1]

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States, and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law, which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction, the equal protection of the laws."

...

The registrar demurred, and the court in which the suit was brought sustained the demurrer, and gave judgment in his favor; a judgment which the Supreme Court affirmed. Mrs. Minor now brought the case here on error.

1. The word "citizen" is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation. "

-end snip-

Waite was talking about classes of children, not citizens. It's right there in English.

Parsing more nonsense I see.

Waite was talking about "born within the jurisdiction" of the United States without regard to the parents as a class of citizens - NOT that they are natural born citizens but citizens of another regard.

So NBCs are not "born within the jurisdiction"? Hadn't heard that one before...."

Sure you have FogBlower and don't leave out in having citizen parents.

32 posted on 06/25/2011 8:17:51 AM PDT by Red Steel
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