Posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:48 PM PDT by rxsid
"Recent WND Inquiries Appear To Have Established Obamas Birth In Hawaii.
I dont know how this slipped below my radar, but back on May 9, 2011, World Net Daily published an investigative report entitled, Bombshell: U.S. government questioned Obama citizenship, which in my opinion conclusively established that Obama was born in Hawaii. In that report, Aaron Klein revealed official documents stored in US immigration files which chronicle the troubles faced by Obamas mothers second husband, Lolo Soetoro, when he petitioned the US Government for a visa extension.
The WND report correctly notes that US officials expressed an interest in determining whether Soetoros step-son, President Obama, was actually a US citizen. The US officials who were handling Soetoros Visa extension application made copious notes in the file and the official comments therein illustrate that these officials doubted some of Soetoros statements. So, they decided to investigate the relationships listed in his application.
Below is the text of the relevant portion of the WND report:
One critical exchange is dated August 21, 1967, from Sam Benson, an officer at the Southwest Immigration and Naturalization Service office in San Pedro, Calif.Bensons query stated, There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouses son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status and determine whether or not he is the applicants child within the meaning of Section 101(b)(1)(B) of the Act, who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of Section 212(a).
The reference is to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which defined a child as an unmarried person under 21 years of age who, among other qualifiers, could be a stepchild, whether or not born out of wedlock, provided the child had not reached the age of eighteen years at the time the marriage creating the status of stepchild occurred.
A response to Bensons inquiry came from one W.L. Mix of the central immigration office, who determined Obama was a U.S. citizen.
Mix replied: Pursuant to inquiry from central office regarding the status of the applicants spouses child by a former marriage.
The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicants step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the childs mother on March 5, 1965.The files do not state how the office determined Obama was born in Honolulu.
So here we see the US Government looking into an application for Visa extension by Soetoro. Further review of those documents reveal that the officials did not trust everything in Soetoros application. Therefore, the Government officials wanted to establish whether Obama Jr. was truly a US citizen. They made a direct inquiry on this very issue. And they concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Again, this was established by W.L. Mix of the central immigration office.
Having taken such an exhaustive look into Soetoros application, and especially considering the governments examination of Obamas citizenship, I dont see how the government officials involved would have overlooked the fact that Stanley Ann Dunham would have been out of the US and far away in Kenya on the date W.L. Mix established as DOB for Obama if Obama had been born in Kenya.
Furthermore, a report today by WND, Documents show marriage of Obamas parents a sham, illustrates that a similar investigation as to Obama, Sr. was conducted when he was also applying for a Visa extension. Those official documents include a handwritten memo from the file, written by (presumed) INS official William Wood, which states that Obama Sr.s son, Barack Obama II, was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.
Moreover, in todays WND article, Jerome Corsi concludes, as a result of reviewing all of the relevant INS documents, that if President Obama was born in Kenya, Dunham must have traveled there without Obama Sr., who was definitely in the US on August 4, 1961, according to these US Government records. This analysis by Corsi is correct. Obama Sr.s presence in the US at the time of Obamas birth is now sufficiently documented. This fact alone adds very heavy weight to President Obama having been born in the US.
I dont see how two sets of US government officials, independently investigating the relationships between Soetoro and Dunham on one hand, and Obama Sr. and Dunham on the other, could both fail to reveal that Dunham would have been in Kenya at the time of Obama Jr.s birth. The government officials wouldve had access to Dunhams passport files. The contents thereof were relevant to the investigations since she was married to both men, and the marriages were relevant to immigration status, as was the issue of children.
Those who persist in accusing Obama of not being born in Hawaii do so in light of official government investigations, between 1961 and 1966, which established his birth, to the satisfaction of inquisitive government immigration officials, as having taken place on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA.
As far as Im concerned, the issue is settled with a massive presumption of authenticity. I do not see how the information published by WND regarding US immigration official W.L. Mixs investigation into Obamas US citizenship flew so far below the radar. That is the single most important fact I have come across that establishes Obamas birth in Hawaii.
CLOSURE IS POSSIBLE WITH REGARD TO BC ISSUE.
For those who insist on keeping the birther circus alive and kickin (despite the info listed above), I believe there is a simple way to settle the issue once and for all. I have found two references to the fact that the US Government keeps passport issuance records for all passports issued. The most recent is from Congressional testimony on the House floor from March 10, 1998:
In addition, the committee on conference is aware that on weekends there is no Departmental procedure or mechanism to access the passport issuance records maintained by the Consular Affairs Bureau. The result is that when a foreign law enforcement authority inquires about the status of a person or passport on the weekend, the State Department does not or cannot respond. This is a clear deficiency in border security procedures. (See pg. 41/53 in the PDF counter.)
The second reference is to a US Government GAO report written for the Secretary of State that argued for the destruction of passport application materials. The destruction of such materials was the basis of more conspiracy theories as to Dunhams various passport applications and renewals requested in a previous FOIA by Christopher Strunk.
Unfortunately, the FOIA request by Strunk, which has been well documented online, failed to request passport issuance records for Stanley Ann Dunham. Strunk only requested passport application materials. And the governments reply to his FOIA request was specifically limited to passport application materials. Since Strunk didnt specifically ask for passport issuance records, the government was not obligated to search for those records but they do exist and they can be found.
The GAO report which refers to passport issue cards documents the destruction of passport application materials, but it notes that the Government retains all old passport issue cards:
During numerous discussions with GSA about document retention periods, Department officials have presented many reasons for the continued storage of original passport applications. They have placed great emphasis in pointing out that old passport applications can be used to derive the citizenship of others But other ways are just as reliable and effective Should the Department need to verify if a parent was ever issued a passport, old passport issue cards have been microfilmed and can be referenced by the Department. (See pg. 44/70 in the PDF counter.)
Therefore, if Stanley Ann Dunham had been issued a passport prior to President Obamas birth, there will be a passport issue card available with that information. If no such card exists, Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961, and Obama could not have been born in Kenya. She would have needed a passport to be in Kenya.
It is my opinion that a proper FOIA request for passport issue cards (or copies thereof) will establish that Stanley Ann Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961. Such a request must be SPECIFICALLY designed to eliminate all wiggle room. I suggest the following wording:
Please forward all passport issue cards and/or microfilm or microfiche copies, or any other copies thereof or any other documents which reference the issuance of any passport for Stanley Ann Dunham. To be perfectly clear in my FOIA request, please understand that I am NOT interested in passport application materials. Please limit your response and documents to passport issue cards or copies thereof as well as any other documents which the government possesses for Stanley Ann Dunham that refer to her being issued a US passport.
Any FOIA request should NOT ask for more than the passport issuance materials. I cannot stress enough how important it is that the FOIA be strictly limited as suggested above. Such a FOIA should end this conspiracy theory with authority and finality.
I should note that I have come across a certain rabid Obama eligibility supporter who alleges to have done a proper FOIA request as to passport issuance materials. I do not trust this source and I do not have access to the EXACT wording of the alleged FOIA request. Suffice to say that anyone who wants true closure on the place of birth issue should do a FOIA strictly worded as I have suggested above requesting passport issuance documents for Stanley Ann Dunham.
I nominate the folks at WND to take this on and make all aspects public since they are the main news resource for this issue. They are invited to take the suggested FOIA request as written above (in red) and to run with it.
The fourth estate has the power and responsibility to see this through. They should thoroughly document the exact wording of the FOIA request, and they should also document the stages of compliance by the government to such a request as is required by law. Definitive documentation regarding whether Stanley Ann Dunham held a passport prior to August 4, 1961 is readily available to the public.
The Government is required to respond to the EXACT request made. No mention of passport application materials should be forwarded by the government in response to a properly worded FOIA request for passport issuance cards (or other issuance documents). We know the cards/documents exist and that they are necessary to the government as is proved by the GAO report and Congressional testimony.
The GAO notes in their report from 1981 that while passport application materials may be destroyed, passport issue cards are kept. This is beyond dispute.
If no passport issuance documents can be found for Obamas mother prior to his date of birth, then he could not have been born in Kenya.
I am not a person who needs to see anymore proof. I believe now and have always believed President Obama was born in Hawaii. But if you still have doubts, this line of inquiry is crucially necessary.
The BC issue and the birther circus surrounding it have served Obama well. Like Chester Arthur before him, the nation was thoroughly distracted by the place of birth faux conspiracy whilst the true legal question concerning his dual national status despite place of birth was obscured.
Everyone loves a big green juicy salacious conspiracy theory. Thats much more fun than a certified boring legal question, the answer to which was never in the hands of Obama, whereas the BC always was. He who controls the game, controls the outcome. (Ever get the feeling youve been cheated? Johnny Rotten)
I am writing this to clear your attention spans for what will be the most authoritative and well documented analysis I have to offer on the dual national issue concerning Obamas perpetual POTUS eligibility dilemma. I do not want the circus to obstruct the law. If you understand the importance of this post, you will pass it on far and wide so the attention of the nation can focus on the true Constitutional crisis.
Leo Donofrio, Esq."
At 1:35 Growing up with Obama, with Barack
At 1:52 Like I said, when they grew up in AFRICA.
At 4:00 We talked about
especially the times with his brother, boys on the block years ago.
At 1:52 Like I said, when they grew up in AFRICA.
Interesting, isn't it? There's no way he could have grown up with zero 'in Africa' - if he was born in 1958, and zero in 1961, Malik would have been three years old when zero was born. Zero first shows up in Hawaii at around three years of age when Malik would have been six. So when would they have had time to 'grow up together'? Malik may have grown up together with 'Obama, with Barack' but that wasn't zero. Doesn't that suggest that the two little boys, zero and the Dark Boy were melded to create THE ONE?
At 4:00 We talked about especially the times with his brother, boys on the block years ago.
Depends where 'on the block' might have been and 'years ago' depends on when...the interview lasted for 38 minutes...and we get to hear a few seconds?
John mirse, I guess it was another thread on which we discussed Zero’s potential parentage and you mentioned that sometimes totally unrelated people have very similar appearance. This is true. But in the case of MX and Zero, there are not only very similar features, but mannerisms and speech, plus other connections - Islam, Africa, many people connected to both MX and people in Zero’s association immediate or secondary. Also ideology, and there is a strange Indonesia connection - MX went to Indo and met with Sukarno, there are of course details and info on FR which I can’t provide, all I have are my memory banks which are not always perfectly solvent!
Also, MX was in Africa/the Middle East during the general time frame Zero would have been conceived. Once we leave off trying to jam Stanley Ann into the picture, it’s a lot easier.
And consider this - Dreams is essentially fiction, this is something everyone can agree upon. Just enough truth to make it seem real. It was written for a specific purpose - to give a “life” - a backstory - to the Zero who has Zero history as far as real documentation.
Noteworthy in Dreams (haven’t read it, just from what others have said), Frank Marshall Davis is given very short shrift in the book, although Zero spent a great deal of time with him. Interesting.
Also interesting is that there is not One Single Solitary photo of Stanley Ann pregnant, with the Kenyan Obama except for that Christmas visit when Zero was 10 years old, no photos of Stanley and Zero before the age of at least three. NOT ONE. Nor any photos of the Dunhams with Stanley in HI during that time frame, nor of the Dunhams with an infant Zero.
Also no mention of Stanley Ann in Seattle with baby or toddler Zero. That was only put together on the fly after one “Anna Obama” was found to have lived in Seattle with a baby...
Add to that mix the incredible jumble of weirdness in the Kenyan Obama’s immigration papers - woo-ee!
To me it is very obvious that the parentage of Zero in Dreams is pure fiction.
Anyone know if the whole interview is online or just a few minutes?
What happened to David and when?
zero on the left - image from Mark Ndesandjo webpage
Mark Ndesandjo webpage - zero identified as 'David' LINK
Now there's a surprise, the image on Mark's website has been altered:
Amazing. So who are these photoshopped boys supposed to be now?
Oh, supposed to be Mark and “David”.
What a bunch of disgusting criminals.
“David”. Wonder if there ever was a “David” other than a fictional device.
lighting changed
the dark boy’s shirt-stripes are different
there’s more space between them both
hand of dark boy is different
more of hand of light boy showing on dark boy’s shoulder
dark boy’s head appears to too large for his body - no neck?
but most significant...the face of the lighter, younger boy appears to have been changed from the nose down.
He now has thick lips and a totally different chin.
Proves they are brothers, doesn’t it...sarc.
they should have done more work on the ears....
What are they trying to prove? I also thought the right ear of “Mark” should be visible, giving the lighting.
they are trying to prove that the two little boys are David and Mark...BOTH SONS OF RUTH AND THE KENYAN.
But all they have accomplished by these new photoshops is to draw even more suspicion to themselves.
I can't fathom why the stipes on the dark boy's shirt have been so obviously tampered with...but the darker boy's head appears too large for his body, and the lighter boy's head is more narrow and longer...
It's the changes to the bottom part of the lighter boy's face that stand out the most, the thicker lips, the different chin...obviously to make them more resemble each other, and that's why the lighting has been changed, the darker boy's colouring is more like zero...
The kenyan, the Dark Boy, Ruth holding Mark. Mark was supposedly born in 1964. The dark boy is three or four years of age. Who was his mother?
The new improved photoshopped version shows a kid with a broken neck. What, was it a rush job? What idiots. They really showed their hand doing this. Are they clowns?
Here is a Senate Resolution Co-sponsored by none other than Barry himself.
The issue of two parent requirement is spelled out here.
There is no force of law in this resolution.
The issue of Natural Born Citizen was brought against the white guy, John McCain, long before Barrack was nominated to the DNC as a Presidential Candidate.
In fact, in order to place McCain on the ballot, the United States Senate went so far as to craft the Senate Resolution 511 proclaiming John McCain a Natural Born Citizen.
There is a cloud over Barrack's birth, to be sure. But the fact that still remains is his birth was of a divided nationality British and American. One is wholly one thing or another but not completely two things at the same time.
I've leveraged some work on this from
On February 28, 2008, about the time Barack Obama began to overtake Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Presidential primary, the New York Times published an article questioning McCains eligibility to be President according to the natural born citizen clause of Article II, Section I of the Constitution.
Needless to say, the Times story was immediately followed by numerous other news items questioning McCains eligibility.
After publication of the New York Times article in February, at least three lawsuits were filed challenging McCains eligibility e.g. California and New Hampshire.
Strangely enough, on February 29, 2008, the day after the Times article appeared, Sen. Barack Obamas campaign announced he would co-sponsor legislation already introduced on February 28, 2008 by his political ally Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) to ensure that John McCain could become president, even though he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. (Washington Post)
Obama said:
Senator McCain has earned the right to be his partys nominee, and no loophole should prevent him from competing in this campaign.
SR 511 was introduced April 10, 2008 by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy (D-VT), Obama (D-IL), Coburn (R-OK), Clinton (D-NY) and Webb (D-VA) and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
It was reported out of committee without amendment by Senator Leahy on April 24, 2008.
On April 30, 2008, the non-binding (no force of law) SR 511 was passed by unanimous consent (no recorded vote) stating:
As reported by the New York Times on April 18, 2008:
Many who have studied the issue say it can only be definitively resolved by a Constitutional amendment.
Obviously, we are not going to get the Constitution amended in the next two or three months, said Ms. McCaskill, who was driven to clear up any ambiguity after learning of the potential problem. We are just trying to send the strongest signal we can as quickly and simply as we can.
So, in April 2008, it appears that a political deal was struck between the Democrats and Republicans that would provide cover for both McCain and Obama on the issue of eligibility. That would also explain the continuing conspiracy of silence by our political elite.
Senate Resolution 511
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen of the United States;
Whereas the term `natural born Citizen, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their countrys President;
Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congresss own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen;
Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
Now, let us take this simple and explore its hidden meaning.
Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen of the United States;
They apparently have read the Constitution and have zeroed in on one clause that no law or legislative body has the right to amend.
Whereas the term `natural born Citizen, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
The term natural born citizen is not defined, however other rulings by the Supreme Court, Congress, and other writings from such as John Bingham, do define what a natural born citizen is. For sake of space I will only quote the following.
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
-Chief Justice Waite in Minor v. Happersett (1875)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0088_0162_Z
Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their countrys President;
So the Senate decided to make assumptions and attempt to pass a Gentlemans Agreement on the same. We have already seen from the prior statement that they claimed to have no knowledge of the meaning, and its definition.
Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congresss own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen;
So the Senate decided to make assumptions and attempt to pass a Gentlemans Agreement on the same. We have already seen from the prior statement that they have no knowledge of the meaning, and its definition.
Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;
It sounds nice, but means nothing? Some fluff but again means nothing.
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
Whom are they referring to, that was born outside the United States and who deemed them eligible?
Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
So the Senate gave by law, what nature failed to do. Would that not be a naturalized citizenship?
So the Senate deemed that two (2) American or US Citizen parents was an essential to the definition of a natural born citizen that was not defined in the Constitution. So how did they deem that the issue was being born outside the jurisdiction of the United States if they had no definition or requirements of what constituted a natural born citizen? It seems like they know the definition, but are hoping the American public doesnt. There is but one defintion that a natural born citizen has to have citizen parents and being born in country and that is Vattels Law of Nations.
As I refered to SR 511. SR511 is a non-binding, non-lawful understanding, that can not be held as a LAW. Being such, a non-binding resolution is a written motion adopted by a deliberative body that cannot progress into a law. The substance of the resolution can be anything that can normally be proposed as a motion.This type of resolution is often used to express the bodys approval or disapproval of something which they cannot otherwise vote on, due to the matter being handled by another jurisdiction, or being protected by a constitution.
Again, I will note: being protected by a constitution.
Simple resolutions do not require the approval of the other house nor the signature of the President, and they do not have the force of law.
The reason I make this point is that for the chance that John Mccain would have actually won the 2008 Presidential election. The issue of his eligibility not only would have been brought up, but would have stated congressional hearings, the likes of Watergate all over again. The Congress would have in no time instituted articles of impeachment and the motion would have been approved. Then the Senate would have their chance to remove John McCain, however since they already have voted with their Gentlemens Agreement, regardless how the vote went. A non-binding, non-lawful resolution that trumps the United States Constitution could be waved in front of the American public, and John McCain, could go back in the corner, stick his thumb in his pie, and exclaim Oh, what a good boy am I.
Senate Resolution 511, was an attempt to circumvent the United States Constitution, and amend the Natural Born Citizen Clause of which there has NEVER been an amendment or change too.
More then just a non-binding resolution, SR511 defined John McCains eligibility based on being born of US Parents [NOTE the plural] but outside the country. Therefore the only alternative based on THEIR wording is born in country. They did not change the requirement of two (2) US parents.
Where is there a definition as to a Natural Born Citizen based on parents [again plural] and born in country? Vattels Law of Nations.
Why if John McCain was held to these requirements, was Barack Obama not held of being born of US Parents [plural] and in the United States.
Barack Obama has admitted that not only was his father a foreign national, but that he himself was a British Subject at birth. A British Subject is a foreign national and how can a foreign national be a Natural Born Citizen as required by the United States Constitution?
You seem to have no problem challenging my friends on this.
Feel free to take me on.
I have argued Barry’s issues for some time now.
Not that it matters.
He is pretty much a lame duck and a one termer.
IMO, the most important part of SR 511 was the discussion of the definition of "natural born citizen" between Leahy and Chertoff:
Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen. I recently asked Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, a former Federal judge, if he had any doubts in his mind. He did not. I ask unanimous consent that the relevant excerpt from the Judiciary Committee hearing where Secretary Chertoff testified be made a part of the record...
You are a former Federal judge. You are the head of the agency that executes Federal immigration law. Do you have any doubt in your mind--I mean, I have none in mine. Do you have any doubt in your mind that he is constitutionally eligible to become President?
Secretary Chertoff. My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen.
Chairman Leahy. That is mine, too. Thank you.
There is it. There's the definition Obama signed his name to - TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS.
Those who try to argue the US Constitution doesn't define the term might as well ask why the Constitution doesn't also give us the meaning of "is". Of course, the Constitution doesn't give definitions because it is not a dictionary. For hundreds of years there have been countless documents which do give us the meaning. Obama knows the definition. Pelosi and the DNC know the definition. The US Congress knows the definition. Thomas admitted SCOTUS knows the definition but are "evading" the issue. The question every US citizen should be asking is why our government is lying.
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