Posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:48 PM PDT by rxsid
"Recent WND Inquiries Appear To Have Established Obama’s Birth In Hawaii.
I don’t know how this slipped below my radar, but back on May 9, 2011, World Net Daily published an investigative report entitled, “Bombshell: U.S. government questioned Obama citizenship“, which – in my opinion – conclusively established that Obama was born in Hawaii. In that report, Aaron Klein revealed official documents stored in US immigration files which chronicle the troubles faced by Obama’s mother’s second husband, Lolo Soetoro, when he petitioned the US Government for a visa extension.
The WND report correctly notes that US officials expressed an interest in determining whether Soetoro’s step-son, President Obama, was actually a US citizen. The US officials who were handling Soetoro’s Visa extension application made copious notes in the file and the official comments therein illustrate that these officials doubted some of Soetoro’s statements. So, they decided to investigate the relationships listed in his application.
Below is the text of the relevant portion of the WND report:
One critical exchange is dated August 21, 1967, from Sam Benson, an officer at the Southwest Immigration and Naturalization Service office in San Pedro, Calif.Benson’s query stated, “There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouse’s son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status and determine whether or not he is the applicant’s child within the meaning of Section 101(b)(1)(B) of the Act, who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of Section 212(a).”
The reference is to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which defined a “child” as an unmarried person under 21 years of age who, among other qualifiers, could be a “stepchild,” whether or not born out of wedlock, provided the child had not reached the “age of eighteen years at the time the marriage creating the status of stepchild occurred.”
A response to Benson’s inquiry came from one “W.L. Mix” of the central immigration office, who determined Obama was a U.S. citizen.
Mix replied: “Pursuant to inquiry from central office regarding the status of the applicants’ spouse’s child by a former marriage.”
“The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants’ spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicant’s step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the child’s mother on March 5, 1965.”The files do not state how the office determined Obama was born in Honolulu.
So here we see the US Government looking into an application for Visa extension by Soetoro. Further review of those documents reveal that the officials did not trust everything in Soetoro’s application. Therefore, the Government officials wanted to establish whether Obama Jr. was truly a US citizen. They made a direct inquiry on this very issue. And they concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Again, this was established by “W.L. Mix” of the central immigration office.
Having taken such an exhaustive look into Soetoro’s application, and especially considering the government’s examination of Obama’s citizenship, I don’t see how the government officials involved would have overlooked the fact that Stanley Ann Dunham would have been out of the US and far away in Kenya on the date W.L. Mix established as DOB for Obama – if Obama had been born in Kenya.
Furthermore, a report today by WND, “Documents show marriage of Obama’s parents a sham“, illustrates that a similar investigation as to Obama, Sr. was conducted when he was also applying for a Visa extension. Those official documents include a handwritten memo from the file, written by (presumed) INS official William Wood, which states that Obama Sr.’s son, “Barack Obama II”, was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.
Moreover, in today’s WND article, Jerome Corsi concludes, as a result of reviewing all of the relevant INS documents, that if President Obama was born in Kenya, Dunham must have traveled there without Obama Sr., who was definitely in the US on August 4, 1961, according to these US Government records. This analysis by Corsi is correct. Obama Sr.’s presence in the US at the time of Obama’s birth is now sufficiently documented. This fact alone adds very heavy weight to President Obama having been born in the US.
I don’t see how two sets of US government officials, independently investigating the relationships between Soetoro and Dunham on one hand, and Obama Sr. and Dunham on the other, could both fail to reveal that Dunham would have been in Kenya at the time of Obama Jr.’s birth. The government officials would’ve had access to Dunham’s passport files. The contents thereof were relevant to the investigations since she was married to both men, and the marriages were relevant to immigration status, as was the issue of children.
Those who persist in accusing Obama of not being born in Hawaii do so in light of official government investigations, between 1961 and 1966, which established his birth, to the satisfaction of inquisitive government immigration officials, as having taken place on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA.
As far as I’m concerned, the issue is settled with a massive presumption of authenticity. I do not see how the information published by WND regarding US immigration official W.L. Mix’s investigation into Obama’s US citizenship flew so far below the radar. That is the single most important fact I have come across that establishes Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
CLOSURE IS POSSIBLE WITH REGARD TO BC ISSUE.
For those who insist on keeping the birther circus alive and kickin’ (despite the info listed above), I believe there is a simple way to settle the issue once and for all. I have found two references to the fact that the US Government keeps passport “issuance” records for all passports issued. The most recent is from Congressional testimony on the House floor from March 10, 1998:
“In addition, the committee on conference is aware that on weekends there is no Departmental procedure or mechanism to access the passport issuance records maintained by the Consular Affairs Bureau. The result is that when a foreign law enforcement authority inquires about the status of a person or passport on the weekend, the State Department does not or cannot respond. This is a clear deficiency in border security procedures.” (See pg. 41/53 in the PDF counter.)
The second reference is to a US Government GAO report – written for the Secretary of State – that argued for the destruction of passport application materials. The destruction of such materials was the basis of more conspiracy theories as to Dunham’s various passport applications and renewals requested in a previous FOIA by Christopher Strunk.
Unfortunately, the FOIA request by Strunk, which has been well documented online, failed to request passport “issuance” records for Stanley Ann Dunham. Strunk only requested passport “application” materials. And the government’s reply to his FOIA request was specifically limited to passport “application” materials. Since Strunk didn’t specifically ask for passport “issuance” records, the government was not obligated to search for those records… but they do exist and they can be found.
The GAO report – which refers to passport issue cards – documents the destruction of passport application materials, but it notes that the Government retains all “old passport issue cards”:
“During numerous discussions with GSA about document retention periods, Department officials have presented many reasons for the continued storage of original passport applications. They have placed great emphasis in pointing out that old passport applications can be used to derive the citizenship of others…But other ways are just as reliable and effective… Should the Department need to verify if a parent was ever issued a passport, old passport issue cards have been microfilmed and can be referenced by the Department.“ (See pg. 44/70 in the PDF counter.)
Therefore, if Stanley Ann Dunham had been issued a passport prior to President Obama’s birth, there will be a passport issue card available with that information. If no such card exists, Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961, and Obama could not have been born in Kenya. She would have needed a passport to be in Kenya.
It is my opinion that a proper FOIA request for passport issue cards (or copies thereof) will establish that Stanley Ann Dunham did not have a passport prior to August 4, 1961. Such a request must be SPECIFICALLY designed to eliminate all wiggle room. I suggest the following wording:
Please forward all passport issue cards and/or microfilm or microfiche copies, or any other copies thereof – or any other documents – which reference the issuance of any passport for Stanley Ann Dunham. To be perfectly clear in my FOIA request, please understand that I am NOT interested in passport application materials. Please limit your response and documents to passport issue cards or copies thereof – as well as any other documents – which the government possesses for Stanley Ann Dunham that refer to her being issued a US passport.
Any FOIA request should NOT ask for more than the passport issuance materials. I cannot stress enough how important it is that the FOIA be strictly limited as suggested above. Such a FOIA should end this conspiracy theory with authority and finality.
I should note that I have come across a certain rabid Obama eligibility supporter who alleges to have done a proper FOIA request as to passport issuance materials. I do not trust this source and I do not have access to the EXACT wording of the alleged FOIA request. Suffice to say that anyone who wants true closure on the place of birth issue should do a FOIA – strictly worded as I have suggested above – requesting passport issuance documents for Stanley Ann Dunham.
I nominate the folks at WND to take this on and make all aspects public since they are the main news resource for this issue. They are invited to take the suggested FOIA request as written above (in red) and to run with it.
The fourth estate has the power and responsibility to see this through. They should thoroughly document the exact wording of the FOIA request, and they should also document the stages of compliance by the government to such a request as is required by law. Definitive documentation regarding whether Stanley Ann Dunham held a passport prior to August 4, 1961 is readily available to the public.
The Government is required to respond to the EXACT request made. No mention of passport application materials should be forwarded by the government in response to a properly worded FOIA request for passport issuance cards (or other issuance documents). We know the cards/documents exist and that they are necessary to the government as is proved by the GAO report and Congressional testimony.
The GAO notes in their report from 1981 that while passport application materials may be destroyed, “passport issue cards” are kept. This is beyond dispute.
If no passport issuance documents can be found for Obama’s mother prior to his date of birth, then he could not have been born in Kenya.
I am not a person who needs to see anymore proof. I believe now and have always believed President Obama was born in Hawaii. But if you still have doubts, this line of inquiry is crucially necessary.
The BC issue and the birther circus surrounding it have served Obama well. Like Chester Arthur before him, the nation was thoroughly distracted by the place of birth faux conspiracy whilst the true legal question concerning his dual national status – despite place of birth – was obscured.
Everyone loves a big green juicy salacious conspiracy theory. That’s much more fun than a certified boring legal question, the answer to which was never in the hands of Obama, whereas the BC always was. He who controls the game, controls the outcome. (“Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?” – Johnny Rotten)
I am writing this to clear your attention spans for what will be the most authoritative and well documented analysis I have to offer on the dual national issue concerning Obama’s perpetual POTUS eligibility dilemma. I do not want the circus to obstruct the law. If you understand the importance of this post, you will pass it on far and wide so the attention of the nation can focus on the true Constitutional crisis.
Leo Donofrio, Esq."
Do we have a new N-S "look-a-like" plant???
Yeah, Rahm Emmanuel had a “Safari” trip to Africa, and others were dispatched to Indonesia, and seems Canada also has been silenced. Before that you had violation of the Logan Act in Kenya and Iraq!!!
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/169824/did-obama-violate-logan-act/jonah-goldberg
The usurper’s eligibility was indeed being discussed here in early 2008. To give credit where it is due though, Leo was one of the first to discover the NBC/Vattel/dual citizenship disqualification.
As Obama stonewalls on uncertified birth certificate, official doubts mount
Israel Insider ^ | June 28, 2008 | June 28, 2008
Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 2:19:52 PM by Red Steel
Free Obama's White Grandmother
Newsmax ^ | 3/28/07 | Andy Martin
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:50:58 AM by meg88
The Kenyan Obama maintained a Stalinist control on Granny Dunham all the way up until her death. Gee, there's no wonder why Obama kept her hidden in a closet as Granny could have blabbed something that would have sank his presidential campaign run.
there isn’t, as far as I can tell, a single post on this forum arguing that Obama is ineligible to be President until December of 2008?
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Wrong. Fail. You just don’t have the hang of searching .. too new, I guess. Try spring/early summer ‘08.
And you .. here since Jan 2011 .. you dare to take a harsh, brashly accusatory tone with those who’ve been here years ..some over a decade .. as well as other concerned citizens .. who’ve dug and dug, turned over rocks, revealed fictional and factual links and records, exposed detailed info on this radical cretin, this subnormal human concoction, who’s very veiled, purposely mysterious and contorted and contrived past, alliances, education, family, documentation and lies forced it by HIS actions and purposeful omissions ???
Some nerve.
Paid much ?
Why did YOU show up on this thread at FR .. the FR you appear to ridicule ?
(And yes .. it IS the #1 conservative forum.. deservedly so.)
The Obama Sr interview took place in April/May, 1964. See M.F. McKeon memo at post 35.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2732437/posts?page=35#35
Again, as far as I can tell, 0bama didn't become ineligible to be President on this forum until after he was elected President
~ A little obamanoid taqqiya perhaps?
The link to the thread shown below isn't the earliest date posted, but it is the earliest one I have bookmarked. I personally posted on The Word for The Day Thread in June 2008 that obummer couldn't produce a valid birth certificate.
Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:35:19 PM
Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting 0bama claims (Uh-oh)
Thanks justiceseeker93.
And neither can I...so that missing page 11 was probably a request for evidence that the child she was asking the Court to grant her custody of, was the child of herself and the kenyan. What did she present to the Court?
...Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting 0bama claims (Uh-oh)...
All those old links center on the birth certificate.
If it is such a well-known fact that Obama is ineligible because of his father and regardless of where he was born, when did this argument first appear on Free Republic?
Have anything before December '08?
anthony weiner looks at Obozo being a fraud president and says “so why should I resign just because I’m a pervert?”
Yes, I tend to agree. The Left knows it can't impose its agenda on the country without trashing the plain meaning of the Constitution. That's nothing new, but it picks up steam whenever the Left achieves political power in the executive and legislative branches.
See Red Steel’s post #78:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2732437/posts?page=78#78
I’m simply amazed that you, Gena Bukin, as far as you could tell, have read all the posts on this forum since 2008 and have a sign-up date of Jan. 2011. Just WOW!
Thanks for your posting! Some comments from me.
1. NBC always abt. 2 points= parent(S) & place.
2. Leo has been VERY consistant.
3. BUT, what did the govt. investigate to determine Obama birth PLACE ....!?
4. user - Gena Bukin - is fast climbing the troll ladder to zotville.
first time to read/hear this...TX; can you direct us to more on this?
We know we were discussing and people were researching in the spring of 2008.
Gena supposedly just joined in 2011. And lying about what happened before hisher time here.
Retread? LorenC and others used to try to pretend that no one disucssed Steamings’ ineligibility until after the election. Some legal doodad no doubt.
“There is no PROOF of anything here. Only what those liars Dunham and Obama may have told INS at the time, OR what those liars in the records office in Hawaii may have told them.”
I’m not sure there’s reason to believe people in the records office would have had a motivation to lie way back then. But I do concur the information regarding Hawaiian birth likely came from parental self-report rather than a document. If you’re a government bureaucrat and you’ve taken the trouble to track down the actual BC, don’t you think you’d make a point of recording that in your report and/or attaching the copy you procured to your report? Wouldn’t you want your supervisor to see/know what a bang-up job you were doing? The lack of either a notation or the documentation itself suggests to me that the source of this claim was the parents themselves, not some official government record that presumably would be far more reliable in establishing the facts in the case.
Sometimes the idiots are all on the same side and constitute a majority. That doesn't make them correct.
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