Posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:48 PM PDT by rxsid
I’ve been offline for a few months, and am grateful to be able to catch up on this issue so quickly... Thanks for the ping.
[I love the new graph and graphic - well, it’s new to me... LOL Hope you are well. - LR]
The interesting thing about this theory is that if the number was originally 666 and they just laughed it off and hadn't made a big deal about the BC the issue would have been done and over a long time ago but if it is the number 666 it is they themselves that have highlighted the issue tremendously and made it an extremely big issue.
I hope that someone investigates what really happened to the number 666 in the order of Hawaiian BCs way back when Hawaii first became a state and find out just who did have that number.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.
WTF?!
Why would they? Any guesses? Does someone born here having one parent as a foreigner get a file if there's a 'possibility' that parent will try to immigrate to U.S.? Or was INS involved in any way with visas for student dad?
I think this is a done story. I think I’m bout to agree that Obama was born in Hawaii. Maybe he was born at home and not in the hospital... maybe there was no BC because of that.
So it comes down to the American public stripping a United States Senator’s natural born citizenship because his mother was underaged. The marriage was a farce so, in essence she was a single parent.
I think the chance of that happening is slim and none...and quite frankly, I agree with that. He’s one of us unfortunately. If there’s doubt we give him the benefit of the doubt...
We all know that he’s not one of us in how his heart thinks..
Let’s move on Lucy T....I think we can beat this guy on his record....
Obama is merely a symptom. We, as a nation, are on the brink of moral collapse.
If we are to survive and thrive as a representative republic a certain amount of honesty, truthfulness, good will, trust, and respect for the rule of law **must**percolate throughout every cultural institution. Yes, it would be very satisfying to see justice done with Obama, but he and his ineligibility are NOT our most urgent and pressing threats.
Even if there were legal action allowed to move forward on Obama’s likely ineligibility and all the crimes associated with these, the nation is morally and spiritually very sick. That every person of authority in this nation ( literally **every**) is choosing to ignore Obama and his crimes should be a warning to all thoughtful citizens.
When I see two expressions and lack of attention to one more important issue, I get very suspicious. Those expressions and issue are:
— “Let's move on”
—”We can beat this guy on his record”.
— Failure to mention that he very likely was also an Indonesian citizen. He may have traveled on an Indonesian passport. He may not even be a U.S. citizen at this point because he may not have bothered to repatriate himself.
I immediately suspect a paid troll is at work. Why?
1) This isn't about Obama, personally, or beating him in the next election. If his is a natural born citizen then he has every right to be in the White House.
2) Gee! Where did we hear that expression, “Let's Move0n.com”?? Ah! Yes! With Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinski!
3) How convenient of you to merely focus on Hawaii as the **only** issue involved here.
Personally, as the elections approach, I will be personally calling and writing my state election officials and all my representatives from the town level on up. I will do so daily if I must. I will also work with the Tea Party to see that every one of these traitors is thrown out of office. They are despicable.
Fundamentally, this issue will NOT go away. No matter how many forgeries Obama posts, thoughtful conservatives will make being in political office very miserable if our representatives choose to trample the rule of law again.
When you're closing your case with two obviously fake Kenyan birth certificates, it makes it pretty easy to disregard everything else you post on this matter.
I myself have doubts about the Kenyan birth, yet I am also absolutely flabbergasted that Stanley Ann would travel to the state of Washington so soon after the birth of her son. This indisputable fact lends credence to even the most illogical of theories, because it shows how bizarre the whole story of Obama’s early childhood really is. Further, as has been pointed out here, there are far more witnesses and references to Obama’s birth in Kenya than they are in Hawaii.
Leo's comment that a person by the name of W. L. Mix determined that Obama Jr. was a citizen “...by virtue of his birth in Hawaii....” yet it is not known how this person arrived at this conclusion.
Did he see the birth certificate that Abercrombie said never existed? Did he rely on on secondary sources of documentation, such as the passport applications that were later destroyed? I am a little suspicious of hand written notes in a file. The name itself seems a little odd, did this person exist, and is there a record of other notes he may have written? It seems that there is no fact too obscure or theory too wacky to be totally discounted.
Leo talks about the Kenyan birth theory as keeping the birther movement “alive and kickin’”, but I think the birther movement is not of the same mind as to the place of birth, nor does it ignore the real issue, which is that Obama Jr. is not an NBC.
I support Leo's position on filing a FOIA request on passport cards (vice applications), but I disagree somewhat on his premise that no card meant no Kenyan birth. That would be like saying that police arrived on the scene of a grisly murder, but because no fingerprints were found they concluded that no crime was committed. It is very easy to remove (or add) a critical piece of information from a record, even on microfiche. Certainly, if there was incriminating information in the passport files, it would be a prime candidate for selective editing.
Leo seems to characterize birthers as a zany bunch who chase after any wacky theories while the real answer (NBC) is staring them in the face.
Along those lines, I think that a birth in the state of Washington or in British Columbia is still in play. We simply can't discount any possibilities, as the truth is often strange and elusive, especially when it is being hidden.
I disagree. This whole story may never produce a smoking gun, certainly Leo didn't produce one, but he furthered the discussion and provided a further venue for new information. I only wish he had done it in a way that reinforced the work that Corsi and all the rest of us are doing to uncover the truth, rather than being cynical about it.
I don’t disagree with anything you say. EVERYONE EVERYONE on this forum knows me on this subject. I brought it up well into the sobs campaign. The only other person who was also involved was PISSANT. I tried to get Gereraty and others at NRO into it, and at first they were, but it peepered out.
I can assure you that had someone like Trump or someone big at the time had stepped up and asks for some answers the guy would have been toast....But the MSM and esp McLame wimped out.
Palin I’m sure wanted to bring this stuff up. Not so much the birth certificate but the lack of information and gaps in the records.
I’m dumbfounded that people in the FBI or CIA haven’t vetted this man.
You can keep up the heat regarding citizenship...I don’t think it will hurt, but I’m more interested in the written records. No one remembers the guy at Columbia...not eventhe few people that had the same majors....
This doesn’t mean he didn’t attend.... he probably just showed up for exams, gave his course work... and left...
Nothing about him at Harvard...he was probably one of these guys that was more show than anything else. He was the token black guy at the school....
I know too about cocaine. You don’t just walk away from that drug...If we knew that the guy did meth then I can tell you for sure that he’s still using...
BTW...wouldn’t it be refreshing if our Commander and Chief submitted to random or other drug testing....? Wouldn’t that be a roll model beyond all? The first lady too?
How about a hair sample?
My hunch is that someone knows about the real story....The Israelis our people. I can’t imagine that the secret service in enamored with the Obamas. I’m sure they’re not as tacky as the Clintons trying to steal dinner ware from the WH, but just the same she strikes me as unclean...The said their campaign bus reeked....
This map shows why Hussein hates Texas. Note Dallas, Austin, and Houston areas are extreme lib hence very pro-Hussien:
Yes, that's just another oddity in the ever growing long, long list of oddities surrounding the usurper. Could Stanley Ann's passport renewals be as fake as the BC? Most certainly they could be. If you look through all the renewals, there are inconsistencies and blanks and obvious false statements. Many more "mistakes" than the random one you'd normally find. With so many inconcistencies, any other person's application would have been flagged.
Could Sr.'s INS records have also been faked? Of course, and I believe they have been. Frankly, I don't believe anything coming from any government agency about this plant.
My theory is that Soros or whomever "they" might be didn't have time to totally sanitize his past so played at screwing up enough dates, places, names, numbers on enough of the record so as to throw off anyone trying to investigate him. This would insure the investigations would get bogged down and follow false leads. Enough time wasted going in circles would allow him to complete his 4 year term and possibly get in 8 before enough solid evidence was found. By then, who knows if we'll even have elections.
Just another inconsistency in a long, long list of inconsistencies surrounding the usurper. If anyone else had so many "mistakes" on their applications they would have been flagged.
I have suspected for a while that Soros or whomever "they" are did not have time to completely sanitize his past so they changed dates, names, addresses, etc. to throw any researcher off. All the false leads sends us on wild tangents which wastes our time leaving him in office that much longer. "They" have succeeded, hence his run for the second term and eventually All High Ruler of the New World Order or whatever goal "they" are after.
Back in the day, you didn't need a passport to visit Canada or Mexico which begs the question why did she need a passport in 1960 or before? And where did she travel?
Those are questions that deserve legal answers.
Rolling Stone, - I know you know a lot about INS. Do they have a file on everybody in the country who has a non-citizen parent? Any reason you know of, for Obama II to have an INS file on him that they denied Pamela Barnett access to?
I see no reason why they would have a file on someone just because they have a non-citizen parent..there would be millions.
They normally have what is called an A file, which is for aliens, and it is given a number. The number is also their alien registration number. A few people have an A number without an A file. but mostly from the 1940’s when registration began.
They could have other files for citizens who are or suspected of being immigration violators such as marriage fraud, smuggling aliens, document fraud etc..
There are also C files relating to naturalization see second link below
And furthermore, it needs explanation why there were/are so many dots that lead to Kenya e.g. early official Kenya claims of birth in Kenya, then shutting down all info by the Kenyan government, Michell’s reference to Kenya being Obama’s country, the two relief ships going to Kenya about the time Rahm took his vacation to Africa with a visit to Kenya, the reports by missionaries attending the birth. Yes. the original facts on passports could go a long way to dispelling doubts or fantasies whichever way one looks at the the situation. However, I believe that a person has to also have proof the history wasn’t and couldn’t be washed away by Obama and his cabal. Even Leo admits that though he has proven to himself birth was in Hawaii there is evidently a path that could lead to a different conclusion. In my mind the usurpers would use any obscuring actions to hide the usurpation even from lawyers.
BTTT for the dead witness. Thanks for posting them. People forget, didn’t know, thought it wasn’t connected. etc.
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