Posted on 05/28/2011 8:54:29 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
And they also said the LFBC was half handwritten and half typed.
Fukino [the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health] said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the filesWhole lotta lyin' goin' on.Source: msnbc
ML/NJ
I am not a lawyer but I met one once.....I think this is a political problem not a legal one for Obama If he loses the political battle over all this and enough people distrust him he could be born and reborn on the fourth of July at the Statue of Liberty and it wont help him.
I think I see. The raised side reads properly, but goes counter clockwise... My prejudices want it to read clockwise.
My brain trys to read the de-bossed side clockwise in the order of: “Hawaii-State-Department-Health”.
On the raised side you have to read counter clockwise for this and the top letters end up reversed.
On raised side at the bottom of the COLB seal, “HAWAII STATE” reads left to right (CCW) with the bottom of the letters to the outside diameter of the seal. “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” seems to read right to left (still CCW) with the bottom of the letters to the inside diameter of the seal. In the raised side photos, the word OF seems to be pretty clearly read right to left and the F is backwards.
Consider the stupidity of this statement.
If I print out the pdf supplied by the WH and then scan it myself, my original subject is authentic. But it's no different than if I scanned a three dollar bill. You can tell the "original" was a fraud from my scan.
ML/NJ
Displaying an adopted child’s former name in an indexed list doesn’t put them in contempt of court. The contents of the records are still protected from public inspection, which is the purpose of sealing a record. They’re not disclosing any other data on the sealed record. Even sealed records must be indexed. Otherwise, they’d be lost in the files.
A sealed record is still a legal record. There may be an amended version of it as in the case of an adoption, but both of them are legal documents.
The only person I can think of who could help is Danae, if she takes a pencil rubbing of the “Onaka” side of her COLB.
http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/the_audacity_of_seal/
Go look at her pictures. It’s so obvious the way she displays them.
Nope. Go here and look at the pictures. I’ve not seen anything this obviously true in a birther claim. The seal on Obama’s short-form COLB is debossed. Every other seal we’ve seen is embossed.
http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/the_audacity_of_seal/
So yes, I think they have been sloppy and incompetent about several things. I respect your persistence and attention to detail, but I think you draw some conclusions that aren't warranted - that of deliberate criminality instead of the sloppiness that is clearly shown by their administrative rules.
OK I see it now, but only because of the Blue text demonstrating what the seal text actually is - I had real difficulty reading it before.
Is there a legal definition of “embossed” for Hawaii vital records?
Yep. It’s all documented in her article. I don’t know why the birthers aren’t screaming their heads off about this. It’s so obvious!
there is documentation negroes, blacks, africans were classified as puerto ricans and or negroes in 20th century Hawaii in the census and birth certificates.
The term African on the alleged Obama birth certificate was added by the Obama campaign.
The term African as a race did not exist (Hawaii) in the 1950’s and 60’s. It was added in 2008.
They are legal records that can be used for evidentiary purposes but they are not LEGALLY VALID records. They do not represent the LEGAL REALITY. When a person amends a COHB (Certificate of Hawaiian Birth) they trade it in for a late birth certificate. The actual COHB certificate has to be surrendered to the HDOH. The HDOH would still have a record of that COHB, but it would no longer be legally valid because it had been exchanged for a different one which IS legally valid. Just like when new BC’s are created in adoptions, legitimations, and sex changes.
The CDC’s recommended birth certificate, which follows along the same requirements for states which participate in the EVVE program (as Hawaii does), has a field for a “void flag”. The default setting is “valid” so we know this flag has to do with the legal status of the record.
This suggests to me that all the records are indexed, but the non-valid ones are singled out so that they will not be included in the general index to be made public and so that the record will come back as having a problem when checked by employers and law enforcement in the EVVE System.
If that were not the case, then there would be no point in having a “void flag” and no point in having a public birth index, since the name being there means absolutely nothing in regards to whether they have a legally-valid record.
As it is, the HDOH had to either remove the void flag for the Asing boys’ original birth records or they had to change the parameters of the print-out for the 1960-64 birth index so that it includes legally non-valid records. Either way, the result is a birth index that includes non-valid records and is thus totally worthless for the argument the HDOH is trying to use. And the monkeying around with either the individual records or the parameters of the print-out and then implying that a name in the index means a valid record of a Hawaii birth.... is totally out of line.
Why would they do that?
T
It took us a couple months of a lot of people hounding the HDOH and me actually asking Lt Gov Aiona’s office if he is directly legally responsible to make sure that the Administrative Rules for each government agency is posted online as required by law.... to get them to either post the rules online as required by law or to tell us what rules are even in effect.
That was not an accident. Those rules were deliberately removed, in violation of the law. They knew all along they were required to be posted and it took several months of us reminding them over and over - and them ignoring our requests - for them to even post them as legally required.
You can call them stupid and inept but I have dealt with them extensively and I’ve known worms who would never be that stupid. It is physically impossible for anybody not in an institution for the profoundly disabled to be that stupid.
I am a patient person. I generally give people the benefit of the doubt, even to the point that some think I’m crazy for doing it. But there is no way even I can excuse what these people are doing. No way.
Computer print-outs don’t happen by accident. The computer does what somebody specifically and deliberately tells it to do. The date range heading appears and disappears only when somebody tells it to appear or disappear. And back a long time ago when I first referenced briefly the fact that somebody was listed in their birth index and yet they told me that they didn’t have a birth record for her, you immediately asked whether the date range heading was on the index, because without a date range heading the list is legally useless; it could represent anything.
And now we find out that the list really DOES represent “anything”. They have legally non-valid records in that list. Maybe that’s why they don’t call it the 1960-64 birth index on the pages. They present it in person as the 1960-64 birth index but the pages have been manipulated so that they never make/document the claim of being the 1960-64 birth index.
None of this is an “accident”. Every single thing about that print-out had to be decided so that the computer would print it out exactly that way. The only index that is that way so it is different than the standard/default format.
So we have a state that is more than willing, eager in fact, to break their laws to accomodate the affirmative action bastard. Now, how does one go about prosecuting such a state if the people in that state don’t care that their government personnel are braking the laws to do someone a favor? hawaii was handing out HI citizenship to any who would apply back wehen they became a state, to up their demographics! Nothing has been or ever will be done about that, except for a few obamapologists working the Internet to make the reality go away by lying about it.
That is the underlying question, and that is why this is so very, very much more serious than just one man who claims to be named Obama. We have blatant crimes that have been committed and we can not do a thing about it within the legal framework of our country. The “civil” issue of an ineligible president is “none of our business”, we are all told by the courts. And only a few politically-appointed or elected officials have the legal power to bring charges on the criminal issue of forgery, perjury, violation of laws, etc.
So we’ve got a situation where the courts and law enforcement have us tied up and gagged. The only people legally able to guard the henhouse are the foxes. We the people have no way to MAKE our government obey and/or enforce the laws.
From the very beginning I have been saying that this issue is actually about the rule of law. We the people have no way to force this nation’s government to obey the rule of law. We’ve seen it in EVERYTHING. We’ve seen total lawlessness. Those who think it is terrible that Obama is taking over whole industries, give secured investors’ assets to the unions instead, decide which court cases will get legal representation, sue states so they can’t enforce the law or protect their borders either, etc - because those actions are lawless - don’t recognize that it is a dead serious situation that Obama has been given the keys to the kingdome because of LAWLESSNESS on the part of HDOH officials, Selective Service Administration officials, Passport Office officials, Social Security Administration officials, the courts, etc.
It’s all lawless. And it’s an in-your-face lawlessness, when Obama presents a very, very bad forgery to the whole nation as if he’s just blowing a raspberry in our face and saying, “HA! Whatcha gonna do about it? Have a revolution, so I can declare martial law?”
The boa is tight around our necks and people are still refusing to see it for what it is.
It’s going to have to come down to the states. Specifically, it’s going to have to come down to voters passing ballot initiatives to insure that the residents of their state are empowered to make the laws stick, and to challenge whether laws such as forgery laws have been broken. They must be given a way to counteract corrupt officials - BETWEEN ELECTIONS. No Secretary of State should have the power to interpret what “natural born citizen” means; that is the job of the judiciary.
The whole idea of this nation is that we have checks and balances. Right now the whole political-media class have conspired against we the people. They are all one entity. Anybody we elect goes to DC and becomes part of this lawless, power-hungry political-media blob that sucks the life out of the helpless people, knowing they can commit whatever crimes they want as long as everybody in DC plays nice and covers everybody else’s arse.
Jesus went into the Temple and raised a ruckus. He didn’t “play nice” when something really, really important was at stake. He didn’t kiss any of their arses. He didn’t go along to get along. He was a REAL MAN. The only real man who’s ever lived.
I’m tired of the wimps. I’m tired of being lied to. I’m tired of being told that the death of our nation and the rule of law is just a “distraction”. I’m tired of this alternate reality where truth doesn’t matter and people can watch an entire nation fall to pieces without anybody raising a finger to stop it.
We need a flag that represents OLD AMERICA, the America before the illegal coup. A flag I can fly on Memorial Day without feeling like my flying it is an insult to the people who really DID give their lives and their sacred honor to defend the US Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.
"No Secretary of State should have the power to interpret what “natural born citizen” means; that is the job of the judiciary." Um in barry bassturd's case, a health official in HI made that call when she told the rest of the world that her bastard was a naural born citizen. Hawaii is not the only lawless state, however. And the fatc that Texas bowed to barry bassturd without invoking the tenth Amendment really frosts me, even though I don't live in Texas. The governor of Texas is showing himself to be just about as fe3ckless as Jeb Bush during the Terri Schiavo state protected murder.
“Jeb Bush during the Terri Schiavo state protected murder.”
I was ready to throw down right there. That was evil. Really and truly.
It was Soros’ test case, I believe.
And in my heart, I know that to have been evil.
Whether it hads Soros at the heart of the evil or not, I do not know. What I do know is that case is inexorably connected to the continuing ‘healthcare’ pogram (yes, pogram) which has very specific goals in sotre for We The Feckless People who once we sovereigns of this now dead Republic. The ones herding this evil toward their goal know that a distracted populace will not make the connections necessary to realize the water in the pot where we swim is getting warmer and warmer, and when it gets hot enough the bastards will slap the lid down and boil off what they aim to be rid of.
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