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Death Squad Damage Control in Tucson
Pro Libertate ^ | 05/23/2011 | William N. Grigg

Posted on 05/24/2011 12:38:09 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

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1 posted on 05/24/2011 12:38:11 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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“...Storie insisted that if the Guerena family had permitted the armed intruders into their home...”

Perhaps if they’d knocked at the door and presented their warrant they WOULD have been admitted, but it doesn’t sound like the cops even tried that tatic.

This is a very creepy, scary, story. And the after-the-fact actions of the cops is the scariest part of it.


2 posted on 05/24/2011 1:00:14 AM PDT by jocon307
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And the after-the-fact actions of the cops is the scariest part of it.

Well, if you were part of an armed gang who just unlawfully forced entry into a home then murdered a man for no justifiable reason whatsoever, you'd probably be acting weird too...

3 posted on 05/24/2011 1:22:39 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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Even some of FR's biggest drug war cheerleaders don't seem to have the stomach for this one.
4 posted on 05/24/2011 1:30:36 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: jocon307

Exactly. How do you give permission to enter to five guys who have already stormed through your door?


5 posted on 05/24/2011 1:31:30 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
That comment could be a dog whistle directed at the segment of Arizona's population that considers Joe Arpaio a champion of law and order, rather than a viscous, opportunistic thug: Rather than seeing Jose Guerena as an honorably discharged Marine and (of infinitely greater importance) loving young husband and father, at least some Arizonans now have an excuse to suspect that he's an agent of the Reconquista plot.

Bush's fault. Come on. They just couldn't leave it go. Let me guess what is next. It is Sarah Palin"s fault. He had a case and lost it in the fog of liberalism!
6 posted on 05/24/2011 2:00:13 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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" ... considers himself to be at war with the population his department ostensibly protects and serves ... "

That's the scary thing. It seems the police forces nationwide, at all levels of government, have begun to see themselves as a separate class, different, above, and isolated from the population they ostensibly serve.

That level of isolation, and self serving insulation injures the concept of responsible government this country is founded upon, enshrined in the Constitution.

7 posted on 05/24/2011 2:39:25 AM PDT by hfr (In the day of socialism it is not the superman, it is the superclass that is the superhero.)
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Responsible government means accountability to authority.

These people are accountable to whom? Themselves and no one else.Sheriff, Police, Prosecutors, Judges, politicians - they effectively form a distinct class that is separate from the general citizenry.

That is the problem, the only eventual authority of resort is diffuse: a difficult to coalesce public opinion that barely motivates a supine citizenry.

That is exactly why Franklin said, "A republic, if you can keep it."

8 posted on 05/24/2011 2:50:55 AM PDT by hfr (In the day of socialism it is not the superman, it is the superclass that is the superhero.)
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“By bringing up this inconsequential detail, Storie was trafficking in something that smells an awful lot like race-baiting. That comment could be a dog whistle directed at the segment of Arizona’s population that considers Joe Arpaio a champion of law and order, rather than a viscous, opportunistic thug: “

This sort of comment does NOTHING to impress this Arizonan...

I despise forced entry home assaults by cops. I don’t think the ‘need’ to grab evidence is a reason for busting down doors, since it assumes guilt - but this raid was NOT a racist plot by white men trying to keep the brown man down.


9 posted on 05/24/2011 2:50:56 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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This is a much more informative article about this man’s murder. These cops, judge and sheriff are truly dispicable.


10 posted on 05/24/2011 3:22:12 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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While Jose bled to death, his killers refused to allow paramedics to treat him. ....

Tucson needs to be sued into oblivion.

11 posted on 05/24/2011 3:31:34 AM PDT by wendy1946 (Bork Obunga; Before he borks you...)
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To: PA Engineer

Agreed. A good article - except for that toxic garbage about Sheriff Arpaio.

Plus: I’m pretty sure Arizonians who support Arpaio also know the difference between ‘viscous’ and ‘vicious’, unlike this ‘journalist’.


12 posted on 05/24/2011 3:57:33 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The SWAT operators "had no choice but to shoot"...

That is FUNNY! Now, these murdering punk thugs are "OPERATORS".

You know, JUST LIKE the SEAL Operators that took down Bin Laden only a couple of days before.

Well, kind of... you know, sort of... almost...

13 posted on 05/24/2011 4:03:13 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (Blacks are not inferior, but it is racist to hold them to the same standards as everyone else.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Dupnik again.

Heaven help the people in his jurisdiction.

He makes the Duke prosecutor seem competent.


14 posted on 05/24/2011 4:03:51 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA, DO YOU HEAR ME NOW........... '67 BORDERS, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
re: adding up to the American colonial rebellion

IMHO, we're worse off today than they were in the 1770’s. Their chief antagonist was the King and his troops. Crime was practically nonexistent, at least to the extent we have today. Citizens today are caught in the middle, the ‘law’ on one side and violent criminals, armed to the teeth, on the other. Like the Tennessee Ernie Ford song of the 50’s said “If the right don't get you, then the left one will!”

This is a situation where everyone involved needs to be frozen where things are and send in an investigative team with the ability and authority to find out what happened. Let the chips fall where they fall. That team should come from someplace as far from there as practical.

The incidence of these situations is increasing at an alarming rate across the country. If we don't get a handle on it pretty quickly it will soon be beyond control.

As with EVERYTHING government does any program, plan or policy they instigate, regardless of how appropriate it was to start with, eventually outlives its usefulness and becomes a greater threat to those it is supposed to benefit than the original problem.

15 posted on 05/24/2011 4:11:36 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (I would rather lose with Sarah than win with a RINO!)
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To: PA Engineer

He was doing ok until he started bad mouthing Joe Arapoaio, his bias jumped right off the page on that one.

Screw this author.


16 posted on 05/24/2011 4:20:05 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Carley
The search warrant has been sealed, and the Pima County Sheriff’s Department refuses to release details. Other than upbraiding local reporters who have abandoned stenography in favor of legitimate adversarial journalism, Clarence Dupnik, the Epsilon-grade personage in charge of Pima County’s Sheriff’s Office,has petulantly complained that the press has been “irresponsible” in “questioning the legality” of a military operation that resulted in the entirely avoidable violent death of a young father who was defending his wife and child against a feral pack of armed strangers.

Well, well, well. "Sheriff" Dupnik. Why, that name sure sounds familiar. Ah yes, the Left-wing police union hack who tried to blame the Tea party for the Gifford shooting. Dupnik, and his ilk, are what we're likely to see more of in the future as a unionized police force pledges its allegiance not to the people, but to the SEIU. Public be damned.

17 posted on 05/24/2011 4:28:07 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Sheriff Dipstick says,

"Not just Socialism. NATIONAL Socialism."

NO Cheers, unfortunately.

18 posted on 05/24/2011 4:28:13 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Ken H

>> Even some of FR’s biggest drug war cheerleaders don’t seem to have the stomach for this one. <<

You’re right. I don’t. Maybe I’m not one of the biggest drug-war cheerleaders, but I often want to know the other side of the stories when some libertarians get all huffy about the war on drugs. (Like that Tuscon idiot preacher who deliberately got himself tazed.)

But You can’t murder even drug dealers. My guess is that he was one. That bit the article has about Jesus Malverde is a load of crap. Doesn’t matter, though. The police can’t just kill someone because they have a slight reason for a hunch he might be a drug dealer. If they were jumpy because they thought he might use one of those guns, the best I can see for them is that it lowers the crime from first-degree homicide to manslaughter. There’s no way in hell that they should ever wear a uniform again.


19 posted on 05/24/2011 6:03:28 AM PDT by dangus
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What evidence do you base your “guess” that the victim here was a drug dealer?


20 posted on 05/24/2011 6:08:33 AM PDT by labusiness
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