Yes, another expert weighs in about Obama's forgery.
Posted on 05/19/2011 6:28:25 PM PDT by Red Steel
It supposedly came from the AP scan that scanned an already printed out paper copy of a copy. the AP likely originated from the White House art work in PDF format.
More clear, thank you.
Yes, another expert weighs in about Obama's forgery.
To make a forgery requires insiders. Otherwise it would leak that an attempt was being made and people could go to jail. (Insiders, such as a newly elected communist Governor.)
So, even the president of the united states may have difficulty pulling off a perfect felony. Richard Nixon could attest to that fact.
And that thing went through some more manipulation before AP scanned it as it is self evident by the background pattern and color are different.
The Waidelich number is probably 620 or maybe 520, not 920, which would actually make sense with the Nordyke numbers. A 5 might look quite a bit like a 9 on TV.
You could be correct. Winston, Mr. All-Nighter on this thread thinks it says 920.
I believe the WH document is fraudulent but you are wrong about typewriters. Here is a small section from a typewritten letter from my files:
Note that I did not remove or slide the paper from the typewriter carriage. The insertion of the middle 'e' in 'their' was intentional (after I realized I omitted it anyway). The misalignment of the 'n' in 'obtaining' and the 'a' below it in 'take' just happened. The 'ta' combination which occurs twice here looks like a kerning. It isn't.
ML/NJ
I'm sure Charlie Sheen believes the presidents BC is authentic and that GW bombed the world trade centers.
I don't.
I disagree. Line to line is not the overlap with earning, it has to be on the same line. (the n and a below it are not a valid example)
As far as going back and inserting letters, of course that is possible.
Do you have a clean example of typed kerning?
I couldn't wait to start using word processing. Even before WYSIWYG, the unpredictability of embedding print commands in documents was preferable to using typewriters.
Irregular spacing and horizontal misalignment were consistent problems. Especially for those of us without the latest IBM Selectric.
Jeff,
How do I say this as politely as I ca...
You are full of shit.
This author is factually correct on every one of his points, and as a computer software engineer with experience in creating imaging software I agree 100% with his conclusions.
He has presented his arguments elegantly and coherently, with video and photo proof.
Your argument against him seems to be “Nuh uhHHhhhhhh - other people told me so”
Show us proof of your statements or STFU - we are busy trying to unseat a traitor here.
Actually it's 279 numbers off of Obama's COLB and 283 and 282 numbers off the Nordyke twins COLBs.
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Obama copy at FactCheck site compared to Stig Waidelich certificate that we see on CNN during CNN's recent investigation: Where is the seal on Waidelich's short form birth certificate that we see on Obama's short form at the FactCheck site?
I may be missing something, but while I see the Hawaii seal on Obama's short form at the FactCheck site---the FactCheck people positioned Obama's short form so that the camera would pick up the seal---I do NOT see the same seal, or any seal, on the Waidelich short form certifcate that the CNN reporter is holding up to the camera just a few feet from the Hawaii window where he obtained Waidelich's birth certificate.
I'm sure Waidelich's short form has a seal somewhere, but I can't see it.
Could someone point the seal out to me that is on the FRONT of theWaidelich certificate, or is it on the back?
What is on the back of the Waidelich short form? Is the registrar's stamp and seal on the back?
Waidelich's short form: Did you notice that a date is NOT bleeding through from the back like it is on Obama's short form that we saw at Obama's Fight the Smears site back in 2008?
Something fishy about that. Do you know of any State Registrar office in the United States that is open on a Sunday ? Aug 6, 1961 occurred on a Sunday, so how could it be filed ? August 6 was the date the certificate was filed with by the registrar (as it says on the form - not with the registrar.)
You are absolutely correct, of course, about August 6 being a Sunday.
If I was correct about the date, then I would say that we have a major problem with the Waidelich certificate.
A closer look reveals that what I read as a "6" is distinctly different from the known "6" in "1961."
Note specifically that the "6" appears to have kind of a flat edge at the upper right. Also note that the lower circle-loop in the known "6" appears clearly larger than the corresponding lower circle-loop in the character that I read as a "6." (In fact, the "6" looks a lot like an inverted "9.")
The latter of these two is especially telling.
And take another look. The overall shape definitely appears different from the earlier character.
I have therefore misread the date on the image, and Waidelich's certificate was filed BY the Register, not WITH the Registrar (another good catch), on Tuesday, August 8.
All of which highlights the difference between myself and a lot of other people involved in this discussion: When you point out that I've made a mistake, I actually admit that you're right, correct the mistake, and proceed from there.
Each typewriter has an individual signature. Forensics experts can in many cases even tell which make and model of typewriter was used to produce a document. It may well be an alignment problem instead of kerning, but IMO it would have to be examined more closely. The typist that produced (allegedly) the BC used a format and tabs different from other BC’s of the immediate time period. More samples of BC’s would be helpful, how convenient that Hawaii DOH does not want to allow people to get long forms anymore...what are they hiding?
Butterdezillion is correct tt the best way to examine the BC is through a complete forensic examination of the original BC and the transaction logs. Until that happens the MSM (Pravda USA) is unlikely to report the questions on the document.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typewriter
Typewritten documents may be examined by forensic document examiners. This is done primarily to determine 1) the make and/or model of the typewriter used to produce a document, or 2) whether or not a particular suspect typewriter might have been used to produce a document.[34] In some situations, an ink or correction ribbon may also be examined.
The determination of a make and/or model of typewriter is a ‘classification’ problem and several systems have been developed for this purpose.[34] These include the original Haas Typewriter Atlases (Pica version)[35] and (Non-Pica version)[36]and the TYPE system developed by Dr. Philip Bouffard[37], the Royal Canadian Mounted Police’s Termatrex Typewriter classification system [38], and the Interpol’s Typewriter classification system[39], among others.[34]
If it was there, it would be on both the front and the back ( visible on both ), since it would be an embossed seal. It is just the raised portion would be on the front.
BRAVO !!
ML/NJ
Or maybe the people (or some of them) that he ordered to forge a document for him were not happy about it and wanted to leave obvious signs that the document was an obvious forgery. Who ever heard of a forgery with a misspelling in an inkstamp!! (Sure. That's not an 'X'. But right now it's the only document image on the whole f*****g internet with an inkstamp where the word 'THE' is spelled T-X-E.)
And Mr. Brilliant was too stupid to notice.
ML/NJ
Real scans do not create the white effect around the lettering - at any DPI, using any typical color scan setting. I tested down to 72 DPI with various formats - no white halos. The color behind the lettering always comes through without the white halo.
Also note that the black parts of the actual certified copies (which is what these all are supposed to be) merge where handwritten entries cross pre-typed or pre-printed. This is due to the imaging process used to store the digital images. Typically tif format for most digital image systems. If there is no gray scale involved they probably use 1 bit color (simple on-off). With 1 bit scanning (again, the perferred method to capture black and white documents in a digital systems (less storage, cheaper) the scan process (scan by the state into their digital system) will not differentiate handwriting going over a preprinted line. It will pickup an element or not - binary. There, not there. Anyone who deals with professional digital image systems (that all states use) knows this.
FYI - the upper left hand is Bobby Jindals released BC.
Here it is...you decide.
Thanks, looks like the second ‘1’ leans left. But notice that when they produced (diddled) the WHPDF, they flat-topped the APR. The reason is fairly simple, the date stamp looked like it wasn’t applied to the green hash paper (the only legimate application) since it was created in the white background version (not as flat topped). So they fixed it in the WH PDF by cutting and pasting a bit of green/white hash background just above APR. Both the registrar rubber stamp and date stamp were repaired to make them look like they were stamped on the green hash paper instead of photocopied onto the green hash paper like the rest of the form.
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