Posted on 05/09/2011 8:35:43 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.
Obama's American mother, Ann Dunham, separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the president was 2 years old. Dunham and Obama Sr. are reported to have later divorced.
In Hawaii, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian, in 1965 and moved to Indonesia in October 1967.
Divorce documents filed in Hawaii on Aug. 20, 1980, refer to Obama as the "child" of both Soetoro and Dunham, indicating a possible adoption in the U.S.
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The divorce records state: "The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education."
The records further identify the "oldest child" as "in university."
"Mother resides with youngest child in 4-bedroom house provided by mother's employer," continues the divorce documents.
The documents identify the minor as Obama's stepsister, Maya Soetoro.
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Joe the Plumber. His whole life was investigated and fed to the 'jon stewart' media in a flash. Yet this guy in the White House claims that he does not have in his possession his birth certificate, and has to send his lawyer over to the state of his birth to collect a birth certificate. What has he been using all these many years? NOT one of his 3 college records has yet to be disclosed or leaked. IF this guy wants this to go away then he needs to be what he claims he is 'transparent'. He is NOT a god and if he is as 'smart' as these liberal mouth pieces claim him to be there would be evidence presented by his college accomplishments.
He should at least abide by the 'rules' the rest of US have to day in and day out.
Even if he was adopted it wouldn’t remove his American citizenship. There are some very specific steps you have to take to accomplish that.
That would be a terrific story, except it's just that - a story.
Since AT LEAST 1898, the law of the land on birthright citizenship has been the Supreme Court case United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898). In it, the Court holds that anyone born in the US subject to the jurisdiction thereof, irrespective of the citizenship status of his/her parents, is a citizens of the United States.
They are not citizens because of statute, but because of the 14A. No statute, like your ridiculously absurd "law at the time that the child's citizenship followed that of the custodial parent" can disenfranchise a person from a right that they enjoy via Constitutional law.
If you are a citizen at birth, you cannot lose your citizenship, nor can your parents by design or neglect, renounce your citizenship either. There is ample case law since Ark that says just that.
"..If you are a citizen at birth and a minor child, you cannot lose your citizenship, nor can your parents by design or neglect, renounce your citizenship either.
“It’s very amusing to see the various birther denominations quarreling with one another.”
Religious schisms are always interesting to watch.
That is not a Birther myth, it is a view expressed by very few uninformed posters. What the real issue here is if he was adopted then he has an amended birth certificate, that means what he has produced to date is fraudulent.
The whole family is a bunch of commies from the get go. You know it is said when the Communist label doesn’t evev cause a raised eyebrow from the media or voters.
Why? You're presuming that his mother and new adoptive father, at some time after their marriage, flew back to HI and then - at considerable expense - obtained an attorney to file appropriate paperwork with the state family court of HI and then obtained a court order to reflect the Indonesian adoption.
Also, Obama's father didn't die until the 1980s. You do realize for any US court to recognize an adoption while both legally recognized parents are still alive, requires that the first legal father/mother (most usually the biological father/mother) grant consent? Just because Indonesia recognized the adoption without the biological father's consent, doesn't mean the state of HI would. In fact, it's almost a certainty that the state of HI wouldn't without explicit consent of Obama St.
I can promise you that there are thousands of US-born children every year, that are adopted in foreign countries because one of their parents remarry, or marry for a first time, and their US birth certificates are never amended.
Moreover,
Absolutely. This a simple choice case. Either he is NBC due to birth in America from American mother or NBC must come from two American citizen parents. Court could rule either way, but I would say that tie goes to the runner and obama would win.
“Moreover, “
Well?
I really hate cliffhangers...
Sorry for that rogue connecting adverb.
Well, the rule for everyone says that you don't have to disclose your college or grad school transciprts to the public if you don't want to. Hence I don't see how you can argue Obama is getting special treatment here.
That is just not true as parents make decisions for children all the time & he had to become an Indonesian citizen just to attend school. Renouncing does not even come into the equation. I never renounced my South African citizenship BUT as I emigrated to Canada with my parents as a young child that decision was made on my behalf & today have no civil rights as a South African as I am in the eyes of the law only entitled as a Canadian.
That is just not true as parents make decisions for children all the time & he had to become an Indonesian citizen just to attend school. Renouncing does not even come into the equation. I never renounced my South African citizenship BUT as I emigrated to Canada with my parents as a young child that decision was made on my behalf & today have no civil rights as a South African as I am in the eyes of the law only entitled as a Canadian.
I don't know what the citizenship laws of South Africa might be.
But I do know the citizenship laws of the United States as they pertain to that period.
A person born on American soil is an American citizen, period. If Indonesia considers him a citizen because he was adopted, that changes nothing -- he is still an American citizen.
And he will stay an American citizen unless and until he renounces that citizenship upon gaining his majority.
Even if he susequently traveled on an Indonesian passport or gained entrance to college as a foreign student, that would not change his status as an American citizen. It might leave him open to some fraud charges, though...
The definite possible advantage of claiming foreign citizenship while going to college is Foreign Aid funds to attend college on the U.S. dime.
Get a life. Any life.
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LOL. The poor quality of birther reading comprehension skills never ceases to amaze me. Rush is saying they got an imposter into the EQUIVALENT of the White House in AFGANISTATN.
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Now that just depends does it not on exactly what position everyone is applying for employment? But I will agree that there is a 'right' we all at least for the time being do share, taking the 'fifth'.
I've heard that, I recall it was just a response to the "what do you want to be when you grow up" question that every kid gets asked.
You do realize for any US court to recognize an adoption while both legally recognized parents are still alive, requires that the first legal father/mother (most usually the biological father/mother) grant consent?
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That would require Obama SR to be recognized as the legal father with rights...
That never happened...there was no jurisdiction over Barry’s life...
In 1961 a legal marriage would have given SR that right...
However there was no legal marriage...
SR never ever had any interest or interaction with Barry...
One chance photo when he was 10 at the airport during a flythrough visit to Hawaii for some event SR was there for, doesnt prove a lifetime of fatherhood..
Even the stance of SR suggests the photo was not one of a man and his beloved son...
SR is looking off absentmindedly at something else
There appears to be no comradery between the 2...emotional or physical..
Is Maya his stepsister—or half-sister?
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