[Cronos]

no, it gives a very good description of the problem that is the BAers v/s the Calvinists.

For example It is always easy to let the age have its head; the difficult thing is to keep one's own. -- the BA philosophy is today's "age", just like Arianism, Gnosticism, Calvinism, etc. had their "age". It's easy to fall for this flavor of the decade or century

But to have avoided them all has been one whirling adventure;

The extremes are easy to sink in to and seem correct for those times, but that is the problem, they are of those times only. The BA philosophy, as I said, has some good, but the problem is that it is so curtailed and cut short of the entire 'good' that is the Word of God, that it is hollow and alone, like tantric dancers fighting away the sense of the impending by ignoring it utterly in a trance

The wisdom of God is here

Mk 16:16, Lk 13:3, Jn 6:54, Matt 23:13 are Jesus's own words telling us that

1. He who believes
2. and is baptized will be saved.
3. [U]nless you repent you will all likewise perish
4. [H]e who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day
5. he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved

These are the Lord's very own words His very own statements, exhortations, commands.

this is not the philosophy or wisdom of men, this what God Himself has commanded.

[AndrewC]

no, it gives a very good description of the problem that is the BAers v/s the Calvinists.

Then it is of no consequence to salvation.

These are the Lord's very own words His very own statements, exhortations, commands.

This is the third time you have posted the information and I have not said they are not his words. BUT I insist that the only "unless"(sbsolute necessity) involves repentence.

Which was taken from a discourse where Jesus assures the listeners that not only certain sinners are punished.

Again, what good works did the thief do? And when was he baptized or when did he eat or drink anyting?