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To: Cronos
no, it gives a very good description of the problem that is the BAers v/s the Calvinists.

Then it is of no consequence to salvation.

These are the Lord's very own words His very own statements, exhortations, commands.

This is the third time you have posted the information and I have not said they are not his words. BUT I insist that the only "unless"(sbsolute necessity) involves repentence.

Which was taken from a discourse where Jesus assures the listeners that not only certain sinners are punished.

Again, what good works did the thief do? And when was he baptized or when did he eat or drink anyting?

3,561 posted on 06/18/2011 12:37:40 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
BUT I insist that the only "unless"(sbsolute necessity) involves repentence.

Yet Jesus's words contradict you: He who believes and is baptized will be saved.

3,562 posted on 06/18/2011 12:44:01 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: AndrewC
BUT I insist that the only "unless"(sbsolute necessity) involves repentence.

Yet Jesus's words contradict you: [H]e who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last daysaved.

3,563 posted on 06/18/2011 12:44:20 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: AndrewC
BUT I insist that the only "unless"(sbsolute necessity) involves repentence.

Yet Jesus's words contradict you: he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved

Salvation is as Christ saidhe who believes, is baptised (in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) for the remission of sins, who truly repents of his/her sins, who eats of His flesh and who endureth to the end, they shall be saved. If not they will perish

I don't see how one can not see this said very clearly by Christ Himself.

3,564 posted on 06/18/2011 12:45:47 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: AndrewC
BUT I insist that the only "unless"(sbsolute necessity) involves repentence.

Firstly, ">BUT I insist" -- is the wisdom of men contradicting Jesus's words

Salvation is as Christ, Himself said he who believes, is baptised (in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) for the remission of sins, who truly repents of his/her sins, who eats of His flesh and who endureth to the end, they shall be saved. If not they will perish

I don't see how one can not see this said very clearly by Christ Himself.

3,565 posted on 06/18/2011 12:47:02 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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