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To: Godzilla; kosta50; LeGrande
That in itself is a great deal more honesty than atheists can handle or will even admit on their own. Particularly since they cannot disprove the existence of God, nor even come up with a legitimate method of abiogenesis to account for life in the first place, let alone provide evolutionary solutions to irreducible biological machines and the creation of the information in dna.

I thirst to be proven wrong!

It is not for me to disprove the existence of any supernatural deity, but for you to prove me its existence! You can't prove a negative!

However, I can tell you about flaws I find in the nature of what a supernatural deity would need to posses, to be one. This was discussed earlier on in this thread, but I'll bring it back if you want to hear about my issue with the nature of God:

God is by definition, outside time.

If I stick with the dogmatic beliefs of your religion, this God both creates the Universe, and will destroy it, too. Consider God before creating the Universe.

God existed before the Universe did.

God initiates Creation

God finishes Creation

God destroys the Universe.

In a realm devoid of time, how is this sequence preserved by God?

"...nor even come up with a legitimate method of abiogenesis to account for life in the first place, let alone provide evolutionary solutions to irreducible biological machines and the creation of the information in dna."

Is all science, determined? The answer to this proves your statement above to be patently invalid. As for irreducible complexity, could you provide examples of the same?

2,670 posted on 06/10/2011 3:43:44 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett; Godzilla; LeGrande
It is not for me to disprove the existence of any supernatural deity, but for you to prove me its existence! You can't prove a negative!

I love the way their brains operate: they invent a story, say about pink unicorns, and the story spreads. Then someone comes along and says "What unicorns? There are no records of any unicorns!" and he gets pelted with every insult imaginable for not believing in pink unicorns! Then they say you "can't prove they don't exist, therefore you're wrong!" LOL!

2,674 posted on 06/10/2011 3:55:53 PM PDT by kosta50
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To: James C. Bennett; metmom; betty boop; aMorePerfectUnion
It is not for me to disprove the existence of any supernatural deity, but for you to prove me its existence! You can't prove a negative!

Yet you hold to the claim that God doesn't exist - you hold to an undefendable claim then. Just because you can't see God doesn't mean he doesn't exist james. You claim God doesn't exist - you live a fallacy since you cannot support your faith. At the best, you can only say that it isn't determined that God exists or not. Yet we do not hear that honesty coming from you atheists on this point.

However, I can tell you about flaws I find in the nature of what a supernatural deity would need to posses, to be one.

Also sprach Zarathustra

God is by definition, outside time.

Epic fail on the first point james (particularly when you don't found your "definitions" on anything solid). While at face value it may seem correct to you, you grossly over simplify the definition of God by leaving out a whole lot of other things. God is by definition is not constrained, restricted or enslaved by anything - even time which He created. Think about it for a second james - we are creatures of time, created with time and subject to its laws and rules. Yet God created time, therefore it is time that is subject to God and not vice versa. Our chronological framework forbids knowledge of the future - yet that isn't a limitation of God. So that 'time' doesn't affect God in the same manner as it affects us.

Because God is the creator and master of time the rest of your logic chain unravels.

Is all science, determined? The answer to this proves your statement above to be patently invalid.

LOL, yet you appeal to that same science in an effort to bolster your faith in the non-existence of God.

As for irreducible complexity, could you provide examples of the same?

bacterial flagellum - and a evolutionary step-by-step method of creation if you care to refute it. Detail how chance created it. I know you'll probably cite Miller attempted rebuttal - but his rebuttal only addresses it's current functioning now - not how it became assembled in the first place.

2,680 posted on 06/10/2011 4:28:19 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: James C. Bennett
However, I can tell you about flaws I find in the nature of what a supernatural deity would need to posses, to be one.

"Put more butter on the popcorn honey; it's gonna be a LONG night!"

2,836 posted on 06/11/2011 5:56:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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