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To: James C. Bennett; metmom; betty boop; aMorePerfectUnion
It is not for me to disprove the existence of any supernatural deity, but for you to prove me its existence! You can't prove a negative!

Yet you hold to the claim that God doesn't exist - you hold to an undefendable claim then. Just because you can't see God doesn't mean he doesn't exist james. You claim God doesn't exist - you live a fallacy since you cannot support your faith. At the best, you can only say that it isn't determined that God exists or not. Yet we do not hear that honesty coming from you atheists on this point.

However, I can tell you about flaws I find in the nature of what a supernatural deity would need to posses, to be one.

Also sprach Zarathustra

God is by definition, outside time.

Epic fail on the first point james (particularly when you don't found your "definitions" on anything solid). While at face value it may seem correct to you, you grossly over simplify the definition of God by leaving out a whole lot of other things. God is by definition is not constrained, restricted or enslaved by anything - even time which He created. Think about it for a second james - we are creatures of time, created with time and subject to its laws and rules. Yet God created time, therefore it is time that is subject to God and not vice versa. Our chronological framework forbids knowledge of the future - yet that isn't a limitation of God. So that 'time' doesn't affect God in the same manner as it affects us.

Because God is the creator and master of time the rest of your logic chain unravels.

Is all science, determined? The answer to this proves your statement above to be patently invalid.

LOL, yet you appeal to that same science in an effort to bolster your faith in the non-existence of God.

As for irreducible complexity, could you provide examples of the same?

bacterial flagellum - and a evolutionary step-by-step method of creation if you care to refute it. Detail how chance created it. I know you'll probably cite Miller attempted rebuttal - but his rebuttal only addresses it's current functioning now - not how it became assembled in the first place.

2,680 posted on 06/10/2011 4:28:19 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla; kosta50; LeGrande
LOL, no, Godzilla.

 Yet God created time, therefore it is time that is subject to God and not vice versa. Our chronological framework forbids knowledge of the future - yet that isn't a limitation of God. So that 'time' doesn't affect God in the same manner as it affects us. Because God is the creator and master of time the rest of your logic chain unravels.

So, how does God order sequential events without time? If time does not separate God's actions, then the actions all superpose - thus God would end up creating the Universe and destroying it, simultaneously. It is only time that can save God from this absurdity. Without time, God cannot avoid the absurdity. So, what is in the realm of what? Clearly God, in that of time.

 

Also, when "God created time", how does God choose a moment to create it? Before time, there is no reference. If God did create this "time", then time would be God's first creation.

2,682 posted on 06/10/2011 4:36:24 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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