Posted on 04/28/2011 7:24:08 AM PDT by bigred08
Females from all over the country will travel to Iowa for late-term abortions if the state senate does not act quickly, according to pro-life organization Operation Rescue. Leroy Carhart is the country’s foremost practitioner of late-term abortions. He plans to open a clinic in the Council Bluffs area very soon, even promoting it on his website.
House File 657 is a bill aimed at blocking Carhart from coming to Iowa, by banning abortions after 20 weeks. It should be discharged soon from the Government Oversight Committee, opening it for full debate in the Iowa Senate. The bill’s fate there remains unknown.
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The “fetal pain” bill is grossly immoral and unconstitutional. It’s worse than Roe. Brought to you courtesy of “pro-life” “conservative” “Christians.”
Glad to see Wichita give up the title.
I’d love to hear a valid argument about how it’s immoral to prevent babies from being butchered.
I’d love to hear a valid argument about how it’s immoral to prevent babies from being butchered.
Could you elaborate please? I think I can see your point, but more details would help.
It doesn’t prevent babies from being butchered. Quite the contrary. It assures that they will all continue to be killed, because it abandons every decent moral, constitutional argument against the practice of child-killing. It assures the continuation of abortion on demand.
In Roe, Blackmun dehumanized the child. That’s the main point of Roe, which helped lead the way to the killing of more than fifty million children.
But even he, in the written majority opinion, admitted that if the “fetus” is a person, “of course” they are protected by the explicit provisions of the Constitution.
This legislation admits that the child is a person, explicitly. And then it says you can kill them anyway.
And Roe was nothing more than one unconstitutional court opinion. The immoral, unconstitutional “fetal pain” bill is the codification of the killing of the innocent.
It's quite simple. Leroy Carhart, the country's #1 late term abortion doctor, will come to Iowa and set up shop and butcher babies all over the country unless this bill is passed.
There is a reason why Indiana, Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma passed similar legislation.
How you can possibly be against putting Carhart out of business is beyond me.
Your argument lacks any semblance of thought, logic and reason.
“All men and women are, by nature, free and equal, and have certain inalienable rights — among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness.” — Article One, Section 1, the Iowa Constitution
“All laws of a general nature shall have a uniform operation; the general assembly shall not grant to any citizen, or class of citizens, privileges or immunities, which, upon the same terms shall not equally belong to all citizens.” — Article One, Section 6, the Iowa Constitution
“The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a ‘person’ within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant’s case, of course, collapses, for the fetus’ right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment.” — Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Roe vs. Wade, 1973
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men...” — The Declaration of Independence
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” — The Preamble, or Statement of Purpose, of the United States Constitution
“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.” — The Fifth Amendment
“No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” — The Fourteenth Amendment
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.” — Thomas Jefferson
Really? You think admitting that the baby is a person, and then saying you can kill them anyway, is "thoughtful," or "logical" or "reasonable"?
There are plenty of ways to "keep Carhart out," that don't involve surrendering the most important foundational principles of our free republic and our State.
This is insane. Our laws should keep all murderers out.
Ok. What are those other ways?
I support the Personhood bill too, but it won’t pass.
So beyond that, please tell me another way to keep Carhart out.
Deny him every permit that is required to open such a killing center.
We don’t lack the means to stop the killing. We lack the will to do so. In every branch of government.
But you’re not going to bring back adherence to the oath to protect all innocent life by codifying the “legal” killing of innocent persons. The idea that you can do so is bizarre, to say the least. It’s perverse.
The legislature doesn’t have the power to deny those permits. Therein lies the problem.
Abortion is already considered settled law by many. It shouldn’t be, but it is.
There is no other way to prevent Carhart from coming here. Period.
You’re basically saying you would rather have this butcher come to Iowa and set up shop. That’s deplorable.
The legislature doesn’t have the power to deny those permits. Therein lies the problem.
Abortion is already considered settled law by many. It shouldn’t be, but it is.
There is no other way to prevent Carhart from coming here. Period.
You’re basically saying you would rather have this butcher come to Iowa and set up shop. That’s deplorable.
No. I’m simply pointing out that the Constitution of the United States, and the constitution of Iowa, DEMAND the protection of EVERY innocent person’s life, and that EVERY PERSON be provided the equal protection of the laws.
These are imperatives that are premised in the first principles of our country. It’s not optional.
And your precious lawless legislation destroys those principles.
And the only justification you can give for this absolute breach of the oaths of each of our legislators, and executive branch officers, and judges, is fear of one particular mass murderer. Stop him, and everyone like him, don’t destroy the very raison d’etre of government.
Just because someone thinks they're the Queen of England, does that mean you have to put on a crown and join them in their insanity?
I guess you missed the next sentence where I said, “It shouldn’t be, but it is.”
I’m glad you’re ok with Iowa becoming the late-term abortion capital of the U.S. You and the others who have fought against the bill should be really proud of yourselves. The blood of the innocents will be on your hands.
I find it remarkable that you can claim that someone who advocates the defense of ALL innocent persons, as the Constitutions of the United States and the State of Iowa explicitly and imperatively require, could be responsible for the deaths of the very innocent persons YOUR beloved lawless, unconstitutional legislation allows to be killed.
You have turned logic on its head.
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