Posted on 04/11/2011 8:55:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
BOSTON - Barack Obama's aunt, Zeituni Onyango, says Donald Trump disrespected her family by questioning the president's birthplace.
Trump quoted Obama's grandmother when she claimed to have witnessed Barack Obama's birth in Kenya, and Onyango says that is not true.....
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Pete O’Neal from a 2004 PBS broadcast:
http://www.pbs.org/pov/apantherinafrica/
Left the U.S. to live in Tanzania.
I really think it takes more than a facial resemblance, I would expect them the have a similar height and body-shape, I would be looking for the long skinny arms...to start with.
Or else we end up with something like the Frank Marshall Davis idea, and he was a dumpy little fellow with no chin:
Full broadcast here:
http://www.itsabouttimebpp.com/home/home.html
Regarding SADO’s visit. Supposedly she was in Kenya in 1983, which was the time of Obama’s visit.
Obama later claimed (in the visit he made as U.S. Senator) to have visited Kenya in 1987.
Here’s the PBS special video (scroll down or search Pete O’Neal) from a Black Panther party legacy site:
http://www.itsabouttimebpp.com/home/home.html
“As one of two posters here I’m familiar with that are saying Obama (on this issue) has nothing to hide, a simple question;
“Why hasn’t Obama released his Birth Certificate or a certified copy of the same to end the controversy?”
Happy to oblige. I obviously can’t know for certain, but I imagine that it’s a combination of a few different factors.
First, he doesn’t believe that it would, in fact, “end the controversy.” Because, really, it wouldn’t. The entire question of Obama’s birth and eligibility first became an audible issue on June 9, 2008, and they put the COLB online just three days later. And that didn’t end the controversy; it just led to accusations about forgery. When they let FactCheck photograph the document to show the seal and signature, that didn’t end the controversy either; it just led to accusations that FactCheck was complicit or the document is insufficient.
I’ve already seen plenty of people claim that simply releasing a certified copy of a birth certificate wouldn’t be sufficient. Some have already suggested that they would believe such a document to be a forgery too. Plenty of others already have adopted the theory that he’s not eligible because of his father; releasing the birth certificate certainly wouldn’t end that controversy. And when you have people demanding everything from his kindergarten records to his baptism records, releasing a birth certificate alone won’t satiate them. So in that sense, maybe he hasn’t released it because he knows it would be fruitless.
Second, maybe he’s stubborn and doesn’t want to waste any of his own time to try to deal with it. The ‘controversy’ really hasn’t been much of a direct burden on him or his administration. It’s not like it’s an issue they’re having to fight Republicans over in the press or in Congress.
Honestly, despite Hawaii’s privacy rules, I feel that if the President called up Hawaii’s vital records department himself and asked for a photocopy of his long-form, he could get it. But it’s possible that he doesn’t want to, because even making that call is, in its own way, letting the Birthers win. And maybe he doesn’t want to play that kind of PR game.
I actually have a historical analogy for these first two factors. For decades, there have been people claiming that the Apollo missions never landed on the moon, and they always asked why NASA couldn’t simply point a telescope at the moon and take pictures of the landing sites. That, they said, would settle the matter. For years, NASA didn’t care. They figured it wouldn’t settle anything, and they weren’t actually suffering because of the folks who doubted them.
But last year, NASA did point a telescope at the moon and took pictures of the landing sites. And what happened when they released them? The controversy didn’t end. The folks who doubted continued to doubt. They claimed the pictures were forged. They complained the pictures weren’t clear enough. And they continued to argue that we never landed on the moon. I can’t help but think that Obama’s folks saw that reaction, and realized that they’d get exactly the same reaction if they ever released the long-form.
Third, while there hasn’t been a direct political cost from the ‘controversy,’ I think there’s something to the argument that he *benefits* a little bit from it. The Obama camp could easily have looked at the issue and decided that they had more to gain by not trying to end anything. For one thing, if they’re confident in their position (i.e., Obama was born in Hawaii and is eligible), then they know that they will win any ultimate challenge down the line. If they know that they will never lose the controversy, then they also know that every minute of time and every ounce of energy expended by their opponents on the other side is wasted time and energy. Time and energy that, if it wasn’t expended on a fruitless quest that doesn’t actually threaten Obama’s presidency, might instead be spent on issue-based advocacy. Or GOP fundraising.
For another thing, they may also think they stand to gain PR-wise from not stopping the ‘controversy.’ Politics is all about winning the support of moderates, and Obama may have decided that it’s more likely that those moderates will look at the birth controversy as something silly than as something substantive. (Note that I’m not saying they’re *correct* in making such an assessment. I’m just saying that it’s a possible belief they’ve staked out. And, perhaps, have held to out of stubbornness even.)
All that said, I’m not actually opposed to Obama releasing the long-form. I’d be interested if he did. Not because I think it would hold any surprises; I think it’ll reflect all the same information as on the COLB. It’s because I’m not interested in the document itself, but because I’m interested in what the *reaction* would be. It’s my belief that it wouldn’t ‘end’ anything. But the only way to definitively test that hypothesis would be for the document to be released.
Loren, You seem to equate “birthers” to “truthers” or other type of partisan doubters, but the birth certificate issue is different because Obama, himself has intentionally increased the doubt by doubling down on his refusal to be open about who he is and what he believes. His books only tell what he wants the public to see and little that is revealing or personal.
The problem that I see with the certificate of live birth is that his name on all official records was not Barack Obama until he was at Columbia College. That’s when he changed his name. He needs to explain that.
1. Obama never produced the COLB as an exhibit to any court. It’s never been examined by a forensic document examiner. Obviously FactCheck (funded by an organization on whom Obama sat) isn’t convincing anyone except Obots who didn’t need convincing.
Right now 75% of Republicans either believe Obama was born out of the country or don’t know. Nearly a third of Democrats say the same. Isn’t this hurting Obama politically? It also is costing millions to defend dozens of cases in various courts.
Will 100% of the doubters be satisfied if news crews and forensic document examiners walk into the vault in Hawaii and see the BC? Perhaps a small percentage will still have doubts. As you said, there are thousands of people who believe we never landed on the moon. Is Obama worried about that small percentage or the millions of Americans with legitimate doubts?
2. He’s stubborn. Playing a game. Obama’s poll numbers are sinking. The numbers will continue to go down. Corsi’s book is coming out. Trump is getting tons of coverage.
Again you bring up the moon landing. What percentage of Democrats believed 9/11 was an inside job? Was percentage of Democrats believed the feds deliberately blew up the levees in New Orleans. Spike Lee and other said that.
3. Politics. Obama believes that the damage of showing the long form would be higher than continuing to withhold it from public view.
Isn’t that all the more reason the United States voters deserve to see it? Would a Republican in the future be allowed to hide school records, basic information like a birth certificate, and not be questioned by the MSM?
Obama won his State Senate seat by legally challenging the right of his opponents to run against him in the Democratic primary. Was an easy win in the general. Obama filed suit saying FOLLOW THE RULES! Yet... Obama wants a free pass now? Just show it.
Is it wasted energy to question Obama’s legitimacy to hold the office of POTUS? Obama’s poll numbers are going down. More questions arise each day.
“Moderates” look at the BC issue as “silly” because they either haven’t investigated the issue or bought the COLB=BC lie fed by the MSM.
And, again, your end the argument as Chris Matthews and now Anderson Cooper do: “Why doesn’t he just show it?”
That’s all we’ve been saying all along.
The following has a group of compiled pictures of O that was put together.
What Say U? Same Person or Not?
October 16, 2010 by Miri
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/category/mug-shots/
On point as always...
On point as always...
No, FLED the US to live in Algiers and then Tanzania. Big difference. He is a fugitive, not an immigrant.
I don’t know Fred... you are talking a farm laborer/village and garden-self reliant live off the land guy compared to a puny, lush Hawaiian ‘intellectual.’ Hard work will give arms depth where non-work will leave them scrawny.
I'm not seeing the difference. Moon hoaxers argued that NASA increased doubt by not photographing the moon, or by taping over the landing films. Truthers argued that Bush increased doubt by not testifying at the hearings. MLK assassination conspiracy theorists argue that the government has increased doubt by sealing the investigation.
I understand that you think it's substantively different, but it's not a legitimate reason to heighten your doubt on this issue that when Birthers asked Obama to jump, that he didn't respond 'How high?'
The problem that I see with the certificate of live birth is that his name on all official records was not Barack Obama until he was at Columbia College. Thats when he changed his name. He needs to explain that.
What official records are you thinking of? Because I can think of at least three known pre-Columbia uses of his name. First was his Selective Service application. Second was his high school yearbook. Third were the poems he had printed in an Occidental magazine. Heck, four if you count the fact that the COLB reflects the information on his original birth certificate.
Black Panther Pete O'Neal in exile in Africa
Pete O'Neal circa 1969
Check out # 1268 for analysis of photos.
Thanks, ASouthernGrl. Good job; we appreciate your contribution.
Btw, SP's finally found this thread.
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