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To: Rational Thought

“As one of two posters here I’m familiar with that are saying Obama (on this issue) has nothing to hide, a simple question;

“Why hasn’t Obama released his Birth Certificate or a certified copy of the same to end the controversy?”


Happy to oblige. I obviously can’t know for certain, but I imagine that it’s a combination of a few different factors.

First, he doesn’t believe that it would, in fact, “end the controversy.” Because, really, it wouldn’t. The entire question of Obama’s birth and eligibility first became an audible issue on June 9, 2008, and they put the COLB online just three days later. And that didn’t end the controversy; it just led to accusations about forgery. When they let FactCheck photograph the document to show the seal and signature, that didn’t end the controversy either; it just led to accusations that FactCheck was complicit or the document is insufficient.

I’ve already seen plenty of people claim that simply releasing a certified copy of a birth certificate wouldn’t be sufficient. Some have already suggested that they would believe such a document to be a forgery too. Plenty of others already have adopted the theory that he’s not eligible because of his father; releasing the birth certificate certainly wouldn’t end that controversy. And when you have people demanding everything from his kindergarten records to his baptism records, releasing a birth certificate alone won’t satiate them. So in that sense, maybe he hasn’t released it because he knows it would be fruitless.

Second, maybe he’s stubborn and doesn’t want to waste any of his own time to try to deal with it. The ‘controversy’ really hasn’t been much of a direct burden on him or his administration. It’s not like it’s an issue they’re having to fight Republicans over in the press or in Congress.

Honestly, despite Hawaii’s privacy rules, I feel that if the President called up Hawaii’s vital records department himself and asked for a photocopy of his long-form, he could get it. But it’s possible that he doesn’t want to, because even making that call is, in its own way, letting the Birthers win. And maybe he doesn’t want to play that kind of PR game.

I actually have a historical analogy for these first two factors. For decades, there have been people claiming that the Apollo missions never landed on the moon, and they always asked why NASA couldn’t simply point a telescope at the moon and take pictures of the landing sites. That, they said, would settle the matter. For years, NASA didn’t care. They figured it wouldn’t settle anything, and they weren’t actually suffering because of the folks who doubted them.

But last year, NASA did point a telescope at the moon and took pictures of the landing sites. And what happened when they released them? The controversy didn’t end. The folks who doubted continued to doubt. They claimed the pictures were forged. They complained the pictures weren’t clear enough. And they continued to argue that we never landed on the moon. I can’t help but think that Obama’s folks saw that reaction, and realized that they’d get exactly the same reaction if they ever released the long-form.

Third, while there hasn’t been a direct political cost from the ‘controversy,’ I think there’s something to the argument that he *benefits* a little bit from it. The Obama camp could easily have looked at the issue and decided that they had more to gain by not trying to end anything. For one thing, if they’re confident in their position (i.e., Obama was born in Hawaii and is eligible), then they know that they will win any ultimate challenge down the line. If they know that they will never lose the controversy, then they also know that every minute of time and every ounce of energy expended by their opponents on the other side is wasted time and energy. Time and energy that, if it wasn’t expended on a fruitless quest that doesn’t actually threaten Obama’s presidency, might instead be spent on issue-based advocacy. Or GOP fundraising.

For another thing, they may also think they stand to gain PR-wise from not stopping the ‘controversy.’ Politics is all about winning the support of moderates, and Obama may have decided that it’s more likely that those moderates will look at the birth controversy as something silly than as something substantive. (Note that I’m not saying they’re *correct* in making such an assessment. I’m just saying that it’s a possible belief they’ve staked out. And, perhaps, have held to out of stubbornness even.)

All that said, I’m not actually opposed to Obama releasing the long-form. I’d be interested if he did. Not because I think it would hold any surprises; I think it’ll reflect all the same information as on the COLB. It’s because I’m not interested in the document itself, but because I’m interested in what the *reaction* would be. It’s my belief that it wouldn’t ‘end’ anything. But the only way to definitively test that hypothesis would be for the document to be released.


1,264 posted on 04/25/2011 7:51:14 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC

Loren, You seem to equate “birthers” to “truthers” or other type of partisan doubters, but the birth certificate issue is different because Obama, himself has intentionally increased the doubt by doubling down on his refusal to be open about who he is and what he believes. His books only tell what he wants the public to see and little that is revealing or personal.

The problem that I see with the certificate of live birth is that his name on all official records was not Barack Obama until he was at Columbia College. That’s when he changed his name. He needs to explain that.


1,266 posted on 04/25/2011 8:02:46 PM PDT by Eva
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To: LorenC

1. Obama never produced the COLB as an exhibit to any court. It’s never been examined by a forensic document examiner. Obviously FactCheck (funded by an organization on whom Obama sat) isn’t convincing anyone except Obots who didn’t need convincing.

Right now 75% of Republicans either believe Obama was born out of the country or don’t know. Nearly a third of Democrats say the same. Isn’t this hurting Obama politically? It also is costing millions to defend dozens of cases in various courts.

Will 100% of the doubters be satisfied if news crews and forensic document examiners walk into the vault in Hawaii and see the BC? Perhaps a small percentage will still have doubts. As you said, there are thousands of people who believe we never landed on the moon. Is Obama worried about that small percentage or the millions of Americans with legitimate doubts?

2. He’s stubborn. Playing a game. Obama’s poll numbers are sinking. The numbers will continue to go down. Corsi’s book is coming out. Trump is getting tons of coverage.

Again you bring up the moon landing. What percentage of Democrats believed 9/11 was an inside job? Was percentage of Democrats believed the feds deliberately blew up the levees in New Orleans. Spike Lee and other said that.

3. Politics. Obama believes that the damage of showing the long form would be higher than continuing to withhold it from public view.

Isn’t that all the more reason the United States voters deserve to see it? Would a Republican in the future be allowed to hide school records, basic information like a birth certificate, and not be questioned by the MSM?

Obama won his State Senate seat by legally challenging the right of his opponents to run against him in the Democratic primary. Was an easy win in the general. Obama filed suit saying FOLLOW THE RULES! Yet... Obama wants a free pass now? Just show it.

Is it wasted energy to question Obama’s legitimacy to hold the office of POTUS? Obama’s poll numbers are going down. More questions arise each day.

“Moderates” look at the BC issue as “silly” because they either haven’t investigated the issue or bought the COLB=BC lie fed by the MSM.

And, again, your end the argument as Chris Matthews and now Anderson Cooper do: “Why doesn’t he just show it?”

That’s all we’ve been saying all along.


1,269 posted on 04/25/2011 9:33:15 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: LorenC
they put the COLB online...

The proven forgery?

I feel that if the President called up Hawaii’s vital records department himself and asked for a photocopy of his long-form, he could get it.

Why, because he's not important enough or just because it doesn't exist?



Hawaii Sen. Slom: Law Allows Obama's Records Released With Consent
1,278 posted on 04/25/2011 10:50:53 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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