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Trump in 2012? Maybe Not Such a Bad Thing
American Thinker ^ | 4-3-2011 | Jack Kerwick

Posted on 04/03/2011 5:46:56 AM PDT by Ouderkirk

Donald Trump will announce in June whether he plans on being a contender for the presidency in the Republican primaries later this year. For several reasons, my excitement over the prospects of a Trump candidacy is mounting.

Let me say first, that in a perfect world, the very idea of a man like Trump running for the presidency, on either party's ticket, would be unthinkable. This isn't to suggest that Trump is a bad man, but only that he has no experience in the art of governing. It is a common misconception among many on the right that success in business is likely to translate into success in politics. Not only does this assumption ignore the fact that the frameworks of incentives and constraints within which politicians and free enterprisers respectively operate are by and large mutually antagonistic; it ignores as well the fact that success in business could just as easily portend political failure.

Any business is an enterprise. An enterprise is defined by the goals toward which it is oriented, the goals toward the realization of which each of its members is expected to contribute. Now, obviously, the enterprises that constitute a "system" of "free enterprise" are not compulsory organizations. However, a state is indeed such an organization. It is a mistake of the first order, then, to confuse government with a private employer and citizens with employees.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birther; trump
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1 posted on 04/03/2011 5:46:58 AM PDT by Ouderkirk
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To: cripplecreek

the money quote here;

Let me say first, that in a perfect world, the very idea of a man like Trump running for the presidency, on either party’s ticket, would be unthinkable.


2 posted on 04/03/2011 5:48:20 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Ouderkirk; Admin Moderator

Dupe thread. Already posted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2698916/posts


3 posted on 04/03/2011 5:51:17 AM PDT by djf (Dems and liberals: Let's redefine "marriage". We already redefined "natural born citizen".)
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To: Ouderkirk
Right now this is where my picks are, it is between Michele Bachmann who absolutely rocks!!! And Donald Trump.

If I could see anything in my entire life it would be, "Barack, YOU'RE FIRED!!!"

4 posted on 04/03/2011 5:51:46 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Blackhawks!!! Go Bulls!!!)
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To: Ouderkirk
Fixed it:

Let me say first, that in a perfect world, the very idea of a man like OBAMA BEING THE PRESIDENT, on either party’s ticket, would be unthinkable.

5 posted on 04/03/2011 5:56:36 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: Ouderkirk
Here's why I favor a Trump candidacy, FTA:

It would be a gross understatement to describe The View as Obama-friendly. Yet just this past week while making an appearance on it, Trump did what no other Republican, much less a Republican with presidential aspirations, would so much as think of doing: he unabashedly expressed his skepticism concerning Obama's birth certificate. With a single utterance, the Donald in effect legitimized a group of people whose concern for this very same issue earned them the scornful name of "birthers" and rendered them a collective object of derision by left-wing pundits as well as such "respectable" right-leaning personalities as Bill O'Reilly and Michael Medved. And what Trump did for this issue, he will be able to do with any number of issues that McCain and the GOP establishment sought (and continue to seek) to avoid like the plague.

The latest straw poll reported here on FR shows the whole pubbie field is vulnable, with Palin leading at 16.9%, followed by Paul at 16%, and the othe eight or nine trailing off with smaller numbers. Trump's impact in a debate with those people when he brings up the whole legitimacy issue would be devastating and immediately propel him to the head of the pack. In turn, all of the other GOP candidates would have to address the issue and one or more, from sheer oportunism, if nothing else, would end up challenging the Illegal's legitimacy. Thus, for that reason alone, I will support Trump in everhy straw poll and mahy well contribute to him.

6 posted on 04/03/2011 6:13:19 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Ouderkirk

We certainly aren’t going to move the country back to the right with a man like Trump. He talks a good game but for the most part he says very little.

When he says we’ll get the oil from Iraq, how does he think we’ll do it? We can’t just seize contracts held by other nations. When he says we’ll pick and choose which illegals get amnesty, who does the choosing and exactly who are the best people who should be allowed to break the law?


7 posted on 04/03/2011 6:14:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t suspect that he will emerge from the primaries as the nominee. But he will be useful in framing the debate more to our liking.


8 posted on 04/03/2011 6:22:40 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Ouderkirk

I see two guys who could win this thing coming up, that being Christie who would have to be drafted into it, and Trump, and the surer shot is Trump. This is a breath of fresh air like nobody’s seen in over a hundred years.


9 posted on 04/03/2011 6:32:00 AM PDT by wendy1946
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What a complete joke! Trump is NOT conservative. He is the only one I can think of who has an ego as big as Obama. Are we going to give up on our conservative ideals so quick because he is agreeing with the birth certificate deal?


10 posted on 04/03/2011 6:42:43 AM PDT by carjic (Back at work after 2 years 2 months 1/4 pay 1099 income. And grateful...but not to "0".)
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To: Ouderkirk

What a complete joke! Trump is NOT conservative. He is the only one I can think of who has an ego as big as Obama. Are we going to give up on our conservative ideals so quick because he is agreeing with the birth certificate deal?


11 posted on 04/03/2011 6:44:56 AM PDT by carjic (Back at work after 2 years 2 months 1/4 pay 1099 income. And grateful...but not to "0".)
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To: wendy1946; cripplecreek

Don’t get sucked into the vortex that is Trump. I don’t think that Trump is the the best candidate, but that he will render the Romney’s and Pawlenty’s much weaker. That is where we need to focus the energy. Forcing these RINO types out of the race on substance and policy.

As for me, I like Trump and Herman Cain for the same reasons. I’m not sure that Cain, who inhabited a similar orbit as Trump has the disposition for party politics.

That’s the weakness of a Trump. He will have not been involved in the log rolling that is party politics and many party insiders are not going to take kindly to being pushed off to the edges.

Palin will have a similar difficulty.

This is where a Michell Bachmann excels. She’s a party insider up to a point, and enough of a firebrand to not get too cozy with the wrong people.

This is where Obozo does have the goods. He’s got the support of the party insiders and apparatchiks. He’s a blithering incompetent, but he’s got the party machine on his side.


12 posted on 04/03/2011 6:47:45 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Ouderkirk

Trump’s saying things that have to be said, and I am all for that. After he slammed George Bush last week, however, I will NEVER consider voting for him.


13 posted on 04/03/2011 6:52:18 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: djf

Dupe thread. Already posted.


What’s the rule/guideline on a dupe thread? Is there a certain timeframe, article source, etc?


14 posted on 04/03/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by deport
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To: bboop

Need Trump to force out Romney, and like minded ilk.


15 posted on 04/03/2011 6:58:15 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Ouderkirk

I agree that this will turn out to be an election like no other. All the “conventional wisdom” goes out the window and those who promote it will squeal like pigs.

November was a transitional election and we saw the impossible happen all across America. Here in Michigan we took pretty much everything from the dog catcher to governor and most of them are strong conservatives. We even reelected my former congressman which the conventional wisdom said was unlikely.

As for me, I’ve got a gut feeling that Bachmann is going to shock and amaze in a good way.


16 posted on 04/03/2011 7:00:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: bboop
Trump’s saying things that have to be said, and I am all for that. After he slammed George Bush last week, however, I will NEVER consider voting for him.

What exactly do you LIKE about George W. Bush??

17 posted on 04/03/2011 7:07:15 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: Ouderkirk

This is a mumbo jumbo article. I couldn’t make sense of it...because there was none.


18 posted on 04/03/2011 7:53:38 AM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: wendy1946

And bashing bush is a bad thing? Bush is the reason we have to deal with the kenyan in the first place.


19 posted on 04/03/2011 8:17:31 AM PDT by hillarys cankles
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To: Ouderkirk
This isn't to suggest that Trump is a bad man, but only that he has no experience in the art of governing.

Yeah, I've seen the 'art of governing' firsthand, as a fed gov contractor. Done by the hands of a liberal bureaucrat, that 'art' is kindergarten finger-painting. Only a faux intellectual, such as the writer of this piece, would make the mistake of confusing "citizens as employees". That's the mindset we have now in B-HO and his wife. No, Trump would be quite clear who the 'employees' are - and who they serve.

20 posted on 04/03/2011 8:20:56 AM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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