You said elsewhere that the BC discussion detracts from the NBC issue, you have also said …the Hawaii BC…serves a purpose. It is mis-direction…, and now you say in #35: The BC/COLB/Place of birth are not relevant.
That is exactly what O would like us to believe isn’t it?
Has he, Ayers, Rahm concealed the foreign father issue?
Have they consistently concealed the birthplace issue?
Lets consider the possible ways to resolve this national fraud either very quickly or perhaps during the next two terms.
Dual citizenship/foreign father?
We agree a foreign father precludes eligibility, even if the USSC agreed – and that is uncertain - it would likely opine the law was previously unsettled and it should not be applied to O. Even if the court agree and offered no such restriction, the dem Senate would almost certainly not convict arguing as above plus, “he never concealed his parentage and his parentage was not within his control”. (One way to win and two ways to lose.)
His failure to affirm citizenship upon reaching majority?
Was it even possible for him to do so? If so, "Hey, it was just an oversight by a stressed college kid, could have happened to anyone, kicking him out of office would be a punishment that was beyond all reason, etc."
The fact he likely traveled on an Indonesian passport for most of his life after being removed from his mother’s passport?
“It was simply a matter of convenience for a kid”.
Improper use of SS#’s and draft registration process?
Since taking office, political operatives, Rahm , et al, have cleansed all relevant files. Even if not, it could take years to obtain evidence based on the records that may yet exist. Recall how during the House impeachment investigation re Clinton, the Justice Dept was markedly uncooperative and stalled, resisted and obstructed at every point. We should expect a similar lack of cooperation from any federal agency involved.
Education records, student aid fraud?
See above. There is little chance anything of evidentiary value remains at the government level and it is almost certain any document trail at the private level has either been bought or destroyed. These people are not amateurs.
So, at this point, notwithstanding all the fine, esoteric arguments, do any of those potential defects in eligibility offer reasonable chance of success of resolving the concealment fraud within the next few years?
Not likely, but I believe we should nonetheless pursue them.
Non U.S. birth?
Again, if established it is game over. Few in the Senate will vote to leave a foreign citizen in the Oval Office and it is likely there would be a resignation.
What are the odds of a non-U.S. birth?
There is substantially more credible evidence, albeit circumstantial, that he was born in Kenya than anywhere else. That body of evidence includes statements made on the floor of the Kenya government. Add the fact Lucas Smith has not been detained or even questioned by law enforcement despite having presented every member of Congress with his written charges and the offer to appear and testify.
How to obtain the birth documents from HI?
The only way to obtain credible copies is via a House subpoena and that will require much public pressure and almost certainly a revolt by the new members of the House.
Here is my bottom line. The “axis of evil” outed by Pres. Reagan is much wider and larger around the globe, and now has a larger, multi-headed presence in the U.S. than when he spoke. Its agenda is to diminish or eliminate America’s influence. At the same time we presently have an established enabling supporter of that effort as the CEO of our nation.
Time is not on our side and we should pursue every avenue. How can you logically wave us off of a BC inquiry when it offers perhaps the best and quickest step toward the long process of reclaiming our nation?
In the alternative, why would anyone attempt to persuade the public to not pressure politicians to seek a BC from HI, perhaps the single thing that can bring him down within the next two terms?
I second that emotion. No need to apologize for the long writing.
FIAP,
I am sorry my various comments have been taken to mean that things should not be done. Given the post that your post is a response to I see the issue and your concern.
Let me respond by saying it is possible Obama has issues with all 4 elements of a ‘natural born Citizen’. These elements are:
1. jus sanginius
2. jus soli
3. being a natural Citizen since birth
4. He is still a British subject today
I will address these in reverse order.
Item 4. Obama was a British citizen/subject. Without form RN - he still is.
Item 3. Obama likely a recognized Indonesian citizen by the US after his adoption at a young age under the Hague treaty.
Item 2: The issue so far has focused on jus soli in the MSM and in the comments from the politicians. This is why there is focus on the forged Hawaii COLB (and it is a forgery!) and his birth place. I believe this is 100% valid issue. The problem is that the original records are likely legally sealed due to adoption or adoptions. They may never surface without voluntary disclosure. I think it worthwhile to prove and show the fraud and forgery and deliberate obstruction by HDOH as part of this. But the original records may never appear. I hope they do, but I am not hopeful.
Item 1. jus sanguinis. This issue takes no research, it takes no release of documents. It is the eligibility issue that Obama fails on. It is the element that no one it politics or the media will bring up because - it is a slam dunk (it is March Madness).
The focus on solely the BC/COLB/jus soli issue and about the ‘alternate father’ both detract from the issue of jus sanguinis. It is not that these should not be pursued. But Item #2 is used a smoke screen by the administration. And as long as the COLB is labeled as genuine by the MSM and cable talking heads it will difficult to make headway quickly here.
The reason I suggest not aggressively following up with the ‘alternate father’ theory is primarily this. The possibly of a US citizen father allows an out to the issue of jus sanguinis. One could say - well, if Obama’s real father is a US citizen then this is a non-issue. But that is not the case. Obama Senior is the father. That is the legal established ‘fact’ and it is not changing. So - a) legally another father is not a possibility and b) it allows for conjecture that jus sanguinis is not really an issue - when it is THE issue that can not be deflected.
So I am not trying to discourage any finding of fact. But if you want anything to happen in the short timeframe we better get focused on jus sanguinis as THE issue. It is the issue where the current facts are laying right in front of all to see.
This is why the MSM has not picked up the Thai Prime Minister Dual Citizen story. They are avoiding like the plague.
I would recommend people take those articles and send them to your representatives and say - if the Thai PM is a dual citizen how is that Obama is not since his father was a British subject at the time of his birth.
Put up billboards - “”Born a Brit, ain’t legit.” (p.s. and he is still a Brit today).”
jus sanguinis is terrifying the ‘cloakers’. They can not cloak the father. Regardless of everything else Obamas father is foreigner and that issue nullifies Article II eligibility without any further research.
I hope this helps in understanding my posts.
There is no changing the father legally. Even with a DNA test proving otherwise. The LEGAL birth father is Obama.