FIAP,
I am sorry my various comments have been taken to mean that things should not be done. Given the post that your post is a response to I see the issue and your concern.
Let me respond by saying it is possible Obama has issues with all 4 elements of a ‘natural born Citizen’. These elements are:
1. jus sanginius
2. jus soli
3. being a natural Citizen since birth
4. He is still a British subject today
I will address these in reverse order.
Item 4. Obama was a British citizen/subject. Without form RN - he still is.
Item 3. Obama likely a recognized Indonesian citizen by the US after his adoption at a young age under the Hague treaty.
Item 2: The issue so far has focused on jus soli in the MSM and in the comments from the politicians. This is why there is focus on the forged Hawaii COLB (and it is a forgery!) and his birth place. I believe this is 100% valid issue. The problem is that the original records are likely legally sealed due to adoption or adoptions. They may never surface without voluntary disclosure. I think it worthwhile to prove and show the fraud and forgery and deliberate obstruction by HDOH as part of this. But the original records may never appear. I hope they do, but I am not hopeful.
Item 1. jus sanguinis. This issue takes no research, it takes no release of documents. It is the eligibility issue that Obama fails on. It is the element that no one it politics or the media will bring up because - it is a slam dunk (it is March Madness).
The focus on solely the BC/COLB/jus soli issue and about the ‘alternate father’ both detract from the issue of jus sanguinis. It is not that these should not be pursued. But Item #2 is used a smoke screen by the administration. And as long as the COLB is labeled as genuine by the MSM and cable talking heads it will difficult to make headway quickly here.
The reason I suggest not aggressively following up with the ‘alternate father’ theory is primarily this. The possibly of a US citizen father allows an out to the issue of jus sanguinis. One could say - well, if Obama’s real father is a US citizen then this is a non-issue. But that is not the case. Obama Senior is the father. That is the legal established ‘fact’ and it is not changing. So - a) legally another father is not a possibility and b) it allows for conjecture that jus sanguinis is not really an issue - when it is THE issue that can not be deflected.
So I am not trying to discourage any finding of fact. But if you want anything to happen in the short timeframe we better get focused on jus sanguinis as THE issue. It is the issue where the current facts are laying right in front of all to see.
This is why the MSM has not picked up the Thai Prime Minister Dual Citizen story. They are avoiding like the plague.
I would recommend people take those articles and send them to your representatives and say - if the Thai PM is a dual citizen how is that Obama is not since his father was a British subject at the time of his birth.
Put up billboards - “”Born a Brit, ain’t legit.” (p.s. and he is still a Brit today).”
jus sanguinis is terrifying the ‘cloakers’. They can not cloak the father. Regardless of everything else Obamas father is foreigner and that issue nullifies Article II eligibility without any further research.
I hope this helps in understanding my posts.
There is no changing the father legally. Even with a DNA test proving otherwise. The LEGAL birth father is Obama.
What other meaning can be given to the words you use to describe the birth place issue: non-useful noise, misdirection, meaningless, not relevant?
Yet when confronted, you respond I believe this is a 100% valid issue.
Competent readers will not let you have it both ways. One can easily imagine you will continue to argue on subsequent threads that the BC issue is a “waste of time”. The name of that form of argument escapes me at the moment.
I’m reluctant to call you out given your detailed research on many issues, and the general tone of your arguments. At the least, one can question whether those efforts are to examine timely issues that will lead to productive ends.
…it is possible Obama has issues with all 4 elements… of NBC.
It is not just possible, it is probable; and an objective inquiry will not flatly dismiss any one of them, as you do. Each of the issues should be examined and prioritized with emphasis on those issues and methods that lend themselves to timely and effective results.
Your ranking of the 4 elements is inconsistent with dicta from American cases as well as the statements of early Americans. In those writings, the term “born in the U.S.” appears before the term “to parents who are citizens” in a substantial majority of instances. Recommend you reconsider your view that jus sanguinis is inherently stronger than jus soli. I submit both are indispensable, but that one is a logical precondition to the other.
jus sanguinis is terrifying the ‘cloakers’.
What is your basis for this statement? There is absolutely nothing in the record that supports this view. Evidence of three of your four elements has been in the public domain from the beginning. Congress is well populated with former judges and attorneys who have the means to quickly refresh their studies of Art II.
Has any member at any time since the pre-election public outcry, voiced any concern?
It is untrue, as you suggest, that his birth records are not available in response to a Congressional subpoena, due to one or more adoptions. His life in that regard is a well-detailed, open book and there is no confidentiality to protect. In any event, there is no privilege associated with not qualifying for the office as required by the Constitution.
Imagine, “I do not have to qualify for the office because those records are confidential”.
With any of the issues, resolution requires action by Congress, or by Republicans who control each branch of government. It is clear Congress will not now take any action that will embarrass itself. It almost certainly will not reverse its position until it asks for and receives “new” information.
If Congress is moved to take action, it will choose an action that offers a quick resolution as opposed to an action that exposes it to a bitterly contested, protracted legal and political mess which is shrilly over amplified by the MSM.
Currently, Republicans control the House, now is the time to demand they take action via subpoena together with its request that the USSC render its view of the citizen parent feature.
If we have to wait until they control all three branches, we may have to wait a very long time, and even then it will be after the fact.
Have a nice weekend.