Dr. Edmund Storms on Andrea Rossi’s Cold Fusion Technology: “We’ve Arrived.”

Free Energy Times ^ | March 5, 2011 | Free Energy Times

[Normandy]

The website Cold Fusion Now is reporting about a recent interview conducted by James Martinez with physicist and researcher, Dr. Edmund Storms, formerly of the Los Alamos National Laboratory who is commenting on Andrea Rossi’s cold fusion technology. He has recently returned from the ICCF-16 conference in India where researchers in the field of low energy nuclear reaction discuss the latest research in the field.

Storms makes some interesting statements on the importance of Rossi’s technology, and is of the belief that it is a significant breakthrough which can have far reaching effects in the world of energy production. Here are some of his comments.

“It’s a major step. It doesn’t change the reality, the reality had already been established, but it has moved the debate from the laboratory into an industrial environment, and it’s put the phenomenon on the map now . . .

[SunkenCiv]

If it exists at all, CF use will probably be in the form of portable power and house-sized generators.

[Condor51]

Of course the US press isn't interested. Charlie Sheen has a new video out about himself. Now that's news.

And all our 'scientists'₍₁₎ are cooking the books on Globular Warming to keep grant money flowing.

(1) I'm not including most Physicists who actually 'do science'. Though they have grant money they need to keep coming too. So they have to play some politics too.

[blam]

Why hasn’t the price of oil fallen on this news. Maybe it’s not true, eh?

[decimon]

Ever since they stopped putting fins on ‘em, it’s been downhill.

No place for the frickin' lasers. Got it.

[barracuda1412]

What you are reading is a series of bad jokes masquerading as news. So Mr Mills’ has been pushing hydrinos since 1991 and was - supposedly - able to find enough gullibles to raise $60 M. I am dead sure that these gullibles want periodic progress reports and these news reports are part of the “progress report”. Past hoaxes had the same pattern and continued for decades.

Instead of putting some hard scientific arguments, the reports tout the “pedigree” of the main personalities. The cold fusion flavor of the month is based on Raney Nickel, used extensively in industry and research laboratories. Especially in industry, any excess energy from conventional science would be most apparent and blow up the reactor.

I expect more of such reports appearing on Free Republic, just like I expect the Sun to be bright and the Ocean to be wet.

Last year, General Electric had its “Ecomagination” competition where people submit energy-related ideas and people can judge on them. There were about a dozen ideas which violate the laws of phyaics and each of said projects received hundreds of votes (thankfully none won and that is a tribute to the scientific literacy of the GE judges). All those voters have “sucker” tatooed on their foreheads. Somehow, no related hydrino-based schemes was submitted.

[Dr. Sheldon Cooper]

The American Caliphate will not be pleased with the drop in income this portends for its masters.

[PapaBear3625]

The article mentions techniques that they're keeping secret until they get a patent. As a result, there won't be any independent verification of their claims.

Wake me when they have a working model that can be independently verified as unambiguously producing more power than it consumes. I won't get really excited until they have something that can run without external power, using it's own output power to run itself, produce at least a few kilowatts (sustained) of excess output power, and reliably maintain this for at least a month.

[aruanan]

Bingo. First, I’ve heard WAY too man of these claims to believe that it’s true just yet. Second, as soon as it actually DOES appear, the Left will acqiure just enough of a rudimentary knowledge of how it works to make it a pariah, just like every other energy source that promises to make our lives easier.

They still have us using whale oil, right?

[aruanan]

Bingo. First, I’ve heard WAY too man of these claims to believe that it’s true just yet. Second, as soon as it actually DOES appear, the Left will acqiure just enough of a rudimentary knowledge of how it works to make it a pariah, just like every other energy source that promises to make our lives easier.

By the way, I remember as a boy going to visit some really old relatives who still had all the gas tubing for gas lighting in their living rooms and the gas lamps as well. By then they had switched over to electricity, but the use of gas for lighting wasn't that far in the past. When a truly better and cheaper way comes along, it's not going to matter who the powers that be are with vested interests, whether political or business, they're going to be swept away. True, some may be like that recalcitrant turd that requires repeated flushes, but they'll end up in the cesspool of history.

[Normandy]

Agreed, there is still undisclosed information.

There have, however, been some people who have been allowed to test the system (without being able to see everything). Here’s one tester’s report:

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3108242.ece

[PapaBear3625]

Yes, they ran the unit for 18 hours and measured 15-20 Kw(thermal) output on an input power of 80 watts. This is very nice, and a unit like this could cheaply heat a small apartment building.

This is why I want to see a unit like this run for a month under independent monitoring, to eliminate any possibility of some internal consumable.

If they can manufacture a unit that will keep working like this for a winter heating season, they will make a lot of money even if it does not itself generate electricity.

[Normandy]

Well if you can heat a home, you can certainly create electricty. All you need is enough heat to boil water and drive steam turbines.

[Moonman62]

The first 1 MW plant is supposed to be built in Greece later this year, I believe. I have read that these units are being manufactured in Florida somewhere.

Florida and Greece together screams fraud.

[ccmay]

I can’t wait to see the Middle Eastern oil lice bankrupted.

[PapaBear3625]

Well if you can heat a home, you can certainly create electricity. All you need is enough heat to boil water and drive steam turbines.

Assuming the energy-generating process will run the same at high water temperatures. My point is that, even if it doesn't work at boiling-water temps, it would still have cost-effective applications providing heat (assuming the manufacturing cost of the unit is reasonable).

[Kevmo]

Thanks for posting this. I’ve been thinking of starting a cold fusion ping list.

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[Kevmo]

“The government in China believes it’s real an they’re doing everything they can to develop it.”
***Another area that China is taking the lead over the U.S.

[Kevmo]

From the LENR/CANR website

http://www.lenr-canr.org/News.htm

Rossi 18-hour demonstration
February 2011

On February 10 and 11, 2011, Levi et al. (U. Bologna) performed another test of the Rossi device. Compared to the January 14 test, they used a much higher flow rate, to keep the cooling water from vaporizing. This is partly to recover more heat, and partly because Celani and others criticized phase-change calorimetry as too complicated. There were concerns about the enthalpy of wet steam versus dry steam, and the use of a relative humidity meter to determine how dry the steam was. A source close to the test gave Jed Rothwell the following figures. These are approximations:

Duration of test: 18 hours
Flow rate: 3,000 L/h = ~833 ml/s.
Cooling water input temperature: 15°C
Cooling water output temperature: ~20°C
Input power from control electronics: variable, average 80 W, closer to 20 W for 6 hours

The temperature difference of 5°C * 833 ml = 4,165 calories/second = 17,493 W. Observers estimated average power as 16 kW. A 5°C temperature difference can easily be measured with confidence.

3,000 L/h is 793 gallons/h, which is the output of a medium-sized $120 ornamental pond pump.

The control electronics input of ~80 W is in line with what was reported for tests before Jan. 14. Input power was high on that day because there was a problem with cracked welding, according to the Levi report.

18 hours * 16 kWh = 288 kWh = 1,037 MJ. That is the amount of energy in 26 kg of gasoline (7.9 gallons). Given the size and weight of the device, this rules out a chemical source of energy.

Levi et al. are expected to write another paper about this test. We will upload it when it becomes available. NyTeknik published a fascinating description of the latest experiment (in English). This includes new details, such as the fact that the power briefly peaked at 130 kW. NyTeknik also published an interview with two outside experts about the demonstration: Prof. Emeritus at Uppsala University Sven Kullander, chairman of the National Academy of Sciences Energy Committee, and Hanno Essén, associate professor of theoretical physics, Swedish Royal Institute of Technology. Two versions are available, in English and Swedish.

[Normandy]

Thanks for posting these results — a nice summary.

[Cacique]

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