Posted on 03/02/2011 10:15:41 AM PST by rxsid
"The Jay Treaty Strongly Indicates That Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President.
Those who support Obama’s eligibility – despite his admission of dual allegiance/nationality (at the time of his birth) – routinely offer a rather absurd hypothetical which sounds something like this:
“The US is sovereign and not governed by foreign law so British law shouldn’t be considered as to Presidential eligibility. What if North Korea declared that all US citizens are also citizens of North Korea? In that case, nobody would be eligible to be President if dual nationality was a determining factor. Therefore, nationality laws of the United Kingdom are irrelevant.”
Since the US recognizes both Jus Soli (citizenship born of the soil) and Jus Sanguinis (citizenship born of the blood) as to its own citizens, it has also recognized the same claims to citizenship from other nations. It is well established – by a multitude of case law and the State Department’s own foreign affairs manual [a PDF] – that the US government must respect foreign law with regard to dual nationals.
But those who support Obama’s eligibility fail to acknowledge that the far-fetched North Korea hypo has no relevance as to Obama. For we are concerned with the United Kingdom’s nationality laws. And with regard to relations between the United Kingdom and the United States there are numerous treaties which require the United States to respect British law and to recognize the status of “British subject”.
The simple concept I reference is taken directly from Article Six of the US Constitution:
“This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”
Treaties are United States law. In fact, according to the Constitution, treaties are “the supreme law of the land”.
The State Department maintains a list [a PDF] of all treaties which are in effect. Articles IX and X of the “Treaty of Amity, Commerce and Navigation (Jay Treaty)” are still in effect between the US and United Kingdom. (See pg. 281 of the list which is 291 for PDF pg. counter). That page also refers one to, Akins v. United States, 551 F. 2d 1222 (Fed. Cir. 1977), which states:
“The Supreme Court decided in Karnuth that the free-passage “privilege” of Article III was wholly promissory and prospective, rather than vested, in nature.The Court stated in comparing Articles IX and III of the Jay Treaty:
‘Article IX and Article III relate to fundamentally different things. Article IX aims at perpetuity and deals with existing rights, vested and permanent in character…’”
So it is Article IX of the Jay Treaty to which we must now turn our attention:
“It is agreed that British subjects who now hold lands in the territories of the United States, and American citizens who now hold lands in the dominions of His Majesty, shall continue to hold them according to the nature and tenure of their respective estates and titles therein; and may grant, sell or devise the same to whom they please, in like manner as if they were natives and that neither they nor their heirs or assigns shall, so far as may respect the said lands and the legal remedies incident thereto, be regarded as aliens.”
In order to respect Article IX of the Jay Treaty (and other treaties between the US and the United Kingdom), the United States is required – by the supreme law of the land – to respect the status of “British subjects”. In order to respect the legal rights of British subjects, the US must be able to identify them. The only way the US can identify British subjects is by recognizing and giving authority to British nationality law.
Therefore, regardless of any far-fetched hypos concerning North Korea, or any other country for that matter, the US and the United Kingdom are required by the Jay Treaty to consult the nationality laws of each sovereign state. The Jay Treaty is both US law and British law.
By authority of the US Constitution, the Jay Treaty requires the US to recognize British subjects and to protect these rights. To properly do so, the US must rely on British law in order to recognize British subjects.
So, with respect to Great Britain, the Jay Treaty denies Obama supporters the ability to rely on their favored argument.
BRITISH SUBJECTS ARE NOT TO BE RECOGNIZED AS US NATIVES ACCORDING TO THE JAY TREATY.
And herein lies the proverbial “smoking gun” with regard to Obama’s ineligibility to be President. Pay special attention to the following text taken from Article IX, “…and may grant, sell or devise the same to whom they please, in like manner as if they were natives…”
The statement – “as if they were natives” – strongly indicates that, by this treaty, both countries agreed that British subjects were not “natives” of the US and could not be considered “natives” of the US. Article IX simply carves out an exception to this rule which allows British subjects to be considered “as if” they were natives of the US. There were numerous policies in play at the time this treaty was signed which could have influenced this choice of words. (But more on that in the forthcoming part 2 of this report.)
The plain meaning of these words bears testament to the fact that, by this treaty, the United States acknowledges that no British subject may be considered a “native” of the United States. The treaty also establishes that no US citizen may be considered a “native” of the United Kingdom.
As most of you are well aware, John Jay’s letter to George Washington was responsible for introducing the “natural born Citizen” clause into the US Constitution.
Furthermore, at the time the Jay Treaty was signed, the UK recognized “perpetual allegiance” which meant that no British subject could throw off their required allegiance to the King. Indeed, the theory of “perpetual allegiance” was one of the main causes of the War of 1812. So, just who was and who was not a “native” of the United Kingdom and the United States was an important designation which had grave national security implications.
The Jay Treaty sought to grant the highest form of citizenship rights to those British subjects and US citizens affected by Article IX. Both countries agreed upon the one word they knew would – according to the law of nations – serve the purpose. That word was “natives”. Both states could have agreed that “British subjects” were to receive the same rights as “US citizens” and vice versa, but they didn’t.
They specifically chose the word “natives” because that word had a definitive meaning in the law of nations.
In 1984, the US Supreme Court – in TWA v. Franklin Mint Corp. – stated:
“The great object of an international agreement is to define the common ground between sovereign nations. Given the gulfs of language, culture, and values that separate nations, it is essential in international agreements for the parties to make explicit their common ground on the most rudimentary of matters. The frame of reference in interpreting treaties is naturally international, and not domestic. Accordingly, the language of the law of nations is always to be consulted in the interpretation of treaties.”
The law of nations is “always” to be consulted in the interpretation of treaties. You all know where this is going now, right?
Consider this to be just the introduction. In part 2 of this report, I will go into much greater detail.
Leo Donofrio, Esq.
Pidgeon & Donofrio GP"
(f) Pubs are partners in O’s election
(g) The Vatican Scandal reveals many politicians and Chief Justice John Roberts were probably paid off. Roberts is said to have over a billion dollars in his account from the U.S. Treasury. Included are Bushes, Clintons, Obamas, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, etc. (over 700).
Thanks for the ping. WHEN are some Repubs going to address this?
http://www.morrisdailyherald.com/articles/2011/03/02/11261059/index.xml
The editors are opening the doors. The WH must be going nuts.
"I said......the new Sheriff's a peregrine!!"
bushpilot1 delving deep into his white supremacist thesaurus....
Ok, I will say it. I love Leo Donofrio. (I am not being literal here....geez guys... LOL)
“So why the Hell are the Republicans not raising hell about it?”
FEAR
They fear that there will be a riotous uprising if they do. This might be harsh, but DAMN THE TORPEDOES! ALL AHEAD FULL. This nation is dying under that Usurper, and the Constitution and UPHOLDING it is the only thing that can save it.
REMOVE THE USURPER IMMEDIATELY.
(PS: I can’t WAIT to see how Mr. Rogers and all the other after birther’s react to this! HAHA!)
Is that the best you got?
LOL
Your whole afterbirther argument just got flushed by Leo and his research.
I thought that was the 14th??? Crap, I hope someone has yanked Hollister et. al.’s ears on this!!!
Some folks just can’t seem to get past that
‘allegiance’ thing ... ;)
The man is an USURPER and should be removed IMMEDIATELY from office. Let the riots come, then we will know who is LOYAL to America, and who is just loyal to a man who has NO RIGHT to the office he ran illegally for, and has in fact usurped.
Let them show their loyalty! Then we will know who NOT to trust! They damn only themselves.
LOL
Fail.
Doesn’t it just give you a warm fuzzy all over?
Leo is BRILLIANT.
Yes, I know - the Supreme Court will overturn the election when it discovers Barack Obama is English!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pity, isn’t it, that the Founders allowed the children of aliens to become President, per the US Constitution.
And isn’t it a pity that foreign countries cannot make an American their citizen against the American’s will...War of 1812, and all that.
Here is the text that supposedly makes Obama illegal as President:
“It is agreed that British subjects who now hold lands in the territories of the United States, and American citizens who now hold lands in the dominions of His Majesty, shall continue to hold them according to the nature and tenure of their respective estates and titles therein; and may grant, sell or devise the same to whom they please, in like manner as if they were natives and that neither they nor their heirs or assigns shall, so far as may respect the said lands and the legal remedies incident thereto, be regarded as aliens.”
So British subjects remain British subjects, and American citizens remain American citizens.
If Obama was born in the USA there is no possibility of doubt but that he is an American citizen. And the British cannot declare him otherwise, can they...not even if he travels to visit the Queen! But if he owned land in England at his birth, he could sell it “in like manner as if they were natives”.
Golly! What POWERFUL research!
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/jaytreaty/text.html
LoL. Yeah, the silly stupid trolls can't even dance on a pin.
I take that back. Idiots like Ms. WKA, aka Ms. Rogers, can dance on a pin made of BS.
When they quit being afraid of their shadows.
ONLY if Obama’s pop wan not a subject of Britain. Oops, you fail Rogers.
Citizenship falls from father to son. Obama was born British, and American LAW recognizes it. Obama was a dual citizen at birth and therefore a citizen (if he can prove he was born here), but NEVER a Natural Born Citizen. His British Citizenship IS recognized by the Constitutional Law of the land.
GO smoke it Rogers. You are the weakest link.
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