Posted on 01/26/2011 5:57:29 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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Be careful, this person comes to the surface like a prairie dog and is a part time hired Holder brigade to report back, aka FINO!!!
You can partly find your answers on his profile page, a long time Holder reporter aka FINO!!!
The above admission by obama may have, in fact, happened.
The problem is that Dr. Keyes -- according to his campaign manager (also a freeper) -- cannot remember the incident.
By the way, I've waited 2 years for this issue to go mainstream.
Yeah, we're ALL "birthers" now!
It's now up to the American people to decide for themselves if they trust an "in your face" liar and impostor to remain in power, as the face of America, both domestically and around the world.
I am confident that -- given the facts -- the American people will make the right choice.
Why is Obama suppressing information that practically ALL American citizens are made to PROVE as a matter of course? -- their identity!
Let the truth be reveiled, not conceeled!
Hay, I think I just came up with a slogen. :)
STE=Q
What, like in that movie "The Counterfeiters"?
Parsing - always parsing.
It occurs to me that considering the history of fancy-footwork displayed by the Hawaii Department of Health, their phrase “original vital records” could be in reference to something as mundane as Barry’s kindergarten enrollment vaccination record, or a physician’s record of a reportable illness such as measles or mumps.
Nothing any of these people says can be taken at face value.
I think high school yearbook pictures are pretty mandatory, but college yearbook pictures may be optional. A picture in a college yearbook might prove someone graduated from such-and-such a class at XYZ University, but the absence of a photo doesn't disprove their matriculation. You might want to check with a degree verification service.
Oops!
Freeper “Eternalvigilance” is Dr. Keyes campaign manager.
STE=Q
I might be a bit younger than you, but I remember having been taught the same thing.
I wasn’t his campaign manager.
But, as someone who has asked Dr. Keyes himself about it, who followed all the debates in detail, and who was present at a couple of them, I can tell you without any doubt: it simply never happened. It’s an internet rumor with absolutely no basis whatsoever. It’s a myth.
2) You could recreate documents that experts will swear were created not only on the same typewriter but by the same hand at the keys (based on impression depths) twenty years ago so getting beyond that level of detail is probably doable these days as well.
3) you seem to think that there would be unlimited right of inquiry into the document itself. If it passes a few obvious tests there would be no further testing, that's for sure.
I understand what you're saying about a trail of evidence and so forth, the problem is that a forgery that passes the most obvious tests is probably going to be accepted as valid thereby halting further study of said document. How everyone is going to rifle through sufficient files and ledgers to determine validity is something of a mystery to me given the fact that to date no one can even get a copy of any of the things Barry wants to keep hidden. Once he “gives in” and produces a BC that passes the initial obvious tests, there won't be any more digging. IOW, the tests that just might discern a forgery from the original would never be done if the document passes the most common battery of tests.
I honestly don't see the point anyway. Barry can have a full BC in his pocket and he still doesn't meet the Constitutional requirements so the whole issue of the BC is moot IMHO, although the issue of his being eligible isn't. This needs to be framed around the facts which are that due to the facts of his birth situation, it doesn't matter where he personally was born. That's the issue being dodged and the whole document search thing is a wasted of effort either way it goes.
Why don't you learn how to read before you make another post here, Braniac?
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To: Retired Intelligence Officer
LOL. The poor quality of birther reading comprehension skills never ceases to amaze me. Rush is saying they got an imposter into the EQUIVALENT of the White House in AFGANISTATN.
22 posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:53:11 PM by curiosity
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Your conclusion, curiosity, “...That leaves only one possibility...Obama must have a standard BC and the index entry is for a standard BC.” -— omits an “other” possibility, which - considering what facts are known - carries the most certainty: his birth record/certificate(s) are sealed.
Background:
We know that Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. Aside from his half-sister Maya stating so publically, we know from the Stanley Ann/Lolo 1980 divorce documents that “the parties” were the parents of one child under 18 [Maya] and one child over 18 but still dependent on the parties for his education [Barry]. The divorce was filed/granted in Hawaii. That Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro is not in the realm of speculation; it is fact.
None of we bloggers/commentors know with certainty that Barack Obama of Kenya sired Barack Obama II. There is considerable doubt, starting with the boy’s name being designated with the honorary “the Second” (II), rather than the sire-to-son “Junior” - specifically, the boy was named “for” Barack Obama of Kenya, rather then “after” him, indicating that Obama was the right race, at the needed time, and willing. Whether it was BO of Kenya, Frank Marshall Davis, the milkman, or “unknown”, IF our little Barry was truly born in a Honolulu hospital there was a long form, official with raised seal, signed by attending physician certificate of birth - and it was filed in the normal manner at the Department of Health. Where it remained - UNTIL BARRY WAS ADOPTED BY LOLO SOETORO.
I know the following from personal experience:
In an adoption procedure such as Lolo of Barry, a petition is filed, hearings are held, privately, before a family court judge and court recorder, adoption is approved, and Court Orders are written which spell out the remaining requisite procedures:
A brand new, pristine long form certificate of birth is filled out with all of the data from the original birth certificate. It is filled out exactly as the original with two exceptions: on the pristine document the name of the baby’s father is “Lolo Soetoro”, and his race is [whatever Lolo’s race was].
Enter now the LAW: the signing and filing of the Court Orders does three things in the Law: (1) Lolo Soetoro is the actual - not “step” - ACTUAL father of the boy Barry, who is now Barry Soetoro; (2) as proscribed by the government of Indonesia, the father Lolo’s Indonesian citizenship is conferred onto Barry; (3) whatever man was named on the original birth certificate as father, in the eyes of the law in relation to the child, does not exist - and never did exist. In the eyes of the law, Lolo Soetoro conceived Barry. Chiseled. In. Stone.
The next step - because above all, the child is to be protected from any person or occurrance which could cause him distress, or could in any way breach his and his parents’ privacy - all records relating to the adoption are sealed, under Court Order. “All” records means ANY and ALL papers, records, memos, files, filings, recordings, transcripts of proceedings, etc, and most importantly - the ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. In the eyes of the law, that certificate does not, and never did, exist. The Certificate of Birth - the “long form” - which identifies Lolo Soetoro as Barry’s father IS the ORIGINAL birth certificate. It is the ONLY one on file at the HDOH. Forever.
Unless someone ELSE petitions the court and adopts Barry - in which case yet another “original” birth certificate would be generated.
Regarding the various staff at the Hawaii Dept. of Health, who have made tortured, prevaricating attempts to do Barry’s bidding — any statements or remarks they have made about having personally seen, touched, patted, or swooned over a document as being Obie’s “original birth certificate” has to be in reference to the only one on file - naming Lolo as father. It appears they are dancing for the media and following instructions which could have come only from Barry. The birth records are not public information; FOIA does not apply. The DOH staff are not at liberty to peruse those files; they can only look, handle if required by the job - which means if the “owner” files a request for a certified copy. There was a report during the ‘08 campaign that Barry had petitioned the Hawaiian court for his on-file birth certificate and related records of copies requested over the years, etc, to be sealed. It would be out of the ordinary - but the Chicago way means such requests are likely to be approved.
As for the sealed adoption records - anyone poking around there, and that means ANYone - would be committing a criminal act. Last I knew, such files were still actually sealed with a huge blob of wax.
All things considered, best guess is that Barry refuses to produce his long form birth certificate - and is willing to spend $$million$ to keep it hidden because that one document shows the truth which would reveal layers upon layers of his lies about his life, activities, and travels. Instead of peeling an onion from the outside>in, Barry’s birth certificate Waterloo begins at the center of the onion - right there at the tear-making core - with the fact of his being adopted by Lolo and thus being a citizen of Indonesia.
Indonesia doesn’t permit dual citizenship, so the Indonesian citizen son of Indonesian Lolo had to have an Indonesian citizen passport. Why his mother had to file for an amendment to remove Barry from travelling on her passport. As a US citizen he could be on hers, but his US citizenship was forsaken for the marriage to Lolo. No problem for a woman who didn’t love her native country anyway - or for the son she dutifully trained to reflect her distaste for America. No problem for him, that is, until he decided to go into politics. Suddenly that Indonesian citizenship and it’s trickle-down useage in his life became a thorn. He wanted to fundamentally change our precious country, and to do so required masses and masses of lies and cover-ups. No problem - just haul out the Chicago way, and the tactics of Chicago’s favorite son, Alinsky. Not working, however - bloggers, Freepers! - and Barry’s thorn of deceit has turned into a festering boil that’s rapidly reaching the point where it will be lanced.
If he “enjoys the controversy”, he enjoys it in the same mindset as a 9-year old enjoys teasing a cat.
Interesting that you consider the president - and apparently yourself as well - as looking upon more than half of the nation’s citizens as “opponents”. Though, actually, that would be an improvement, as his previous reference to the multitudes who disagree with him was as being his enemies.
Pinging a few names that pop into my poor little brain.
I think GGMac is hitting closer to the bullseye than just about anything I’ve seen so far.
Dam breech is getting closer and closer IMO.
Oh, GGMac - if the original BC has a birthplace other than Honolulu, that would also be a knockout punch. And per our other exchange, the birth place would not be different on the new adoptive birth certificate. Do you think that is an issue from whatever you know/conjecture?
Bump.
Seconded. We're so close we can smell it.
Smells like piss soaked hind legs to me.
Courtesy ping to General Patton.
Hi GG. Welcome to FR! I have read over all of your posts, and you offer an acute and very logical set of arguments! What you say I think not only has merit, strikes me a’s fitting most if not all the known pieces of the OholyO puzzle we know.
VERY well done!
May I ask, how is it that you know so much about adoptions in the state of Hawaii? Clearly you have deeper knowledge that just a reading of statutes.
A further question, if Barry chose to, could he Juliet the adoption? If he did so, it is my understanding that his records would revert to their original status, with one difference, citizenship. Now would that status be that of NBC or naturalized, or citizen? Barry’s records might still be sealed, but is there any public records disclosed or diagnosable likenthise for birth index records?
Thanks for some seriously interesting ideas. I am liking your theory even better that my own. It fits the known facts better! Excellent work!
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