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Is Science Fiction Getting More Conservative?
Pajamas Media ^ | January 25, 2011 | Patrick Richardson

Posted on 01/25/2011 9:58:28 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: RabidBartender

[ I’ve found BBC seems to have more science fiction than Scyfy ]

And now syfy is stealing it from them.... LOL...


21 posted on 01/25/2011 10:16:38 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Kaslin

Libertarian, maybe, and it’s telling that the two “new” authors in this piece write for Baen which is probably the biggest seller of right-leaning, libertarian SF.

It’s nice not to have SF be automatically liberal pap but I think the libertarian bent is missing something too.... I need to figure out a good story to fit a Christian-influenced Libertarian world-setting, and then write it.


22 posted on 01/25/2011 10:16:38 AM PST by JenB
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To: Kaslin

I love Tom Kratman, you never see him in Conventions anymore, but he and John Ringo are a blast in person. He happens to live right here in Blacksburg.


23 posted on 01/25/2011 10:17:09 AM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Kaslin
It started when I was little more than a toddler. One of my earliest memories: sitting in the basement with my parents as they watched Walter Cronkite narrate one of the Apollo missions as it rounded the moon. (Which one? I couldn’t have been more than three or four, and I was born in 1971. You do the math.) It left an impression. I’ve been a fan ever since.

Last moon mission was 1972. Either our author is a prodigy and remembers things from age 1, or he's too lazy to look up the dates for Apollo because "Skylab" doesn't make as cool-sounding a story.

No thanks.

24 posted on 01/25/2011 10:20:00 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Pournelle and Niven wrote a book poking fun at the global warming movement twenty years ago.

Fallen Angels

25 posted on 01/25/2011 10:20:00 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: JDW11235

Try Baen.com
They have have several authors that are wide right. Kratman considers himself to the right of Attila the Hun


26 posted on 01/25/2011 10:20:58 AM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Kaslin

I think one of the components of most sci-fi is the setting is a futuristic dystopia, with usually a despotic leader or a group of elite thinkers. The story follows someone trying to break free of the chains and open people’s eyes to liberty.

Without having to say it is conservative, the plot is conservative.


27 posted on 01/25/2011 10:21:51 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Kaslin

I’ve read Spinrad, and found his politics objectionable and his writing leaden.


28 posted on 01/25/2011 10:24:16 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: Kaslin
I am unimpressed by the blogger (Patrick Richardson). His credentials are presented as something regarding an organization of small local newspapers.

Why should I believe that he has any idea legitimate thoughts about trends in SciFi literature?

Just another blogger trying to convince a miniscule readership that he and his blog is relevant. Pfft.

29 posted on 01/25/2011 10:24:51 AM PST by delacoert
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To: Kaslin

I just began reading Card’s Xenocide.


30 posted on 01/25/2011 10:25:56 AM PST by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than preachers, professors and politicians.)
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To: dangerdoc

An interesting, and I think correct, point. Nobody cares about the fate of the mass. Even in apocalyptic science fiction, where the world as we know it is destroyed, it was the lone survivor protagonist that was the story.


31 posted on 01/25/2011 10:26:32 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: JDW11235
but collectivism and such were almost always promoted and individualism unimportant.

I would recommend reading just about anything by Jack Vance. His themes are the opposite of what you describe.

32 posted on 01/25/2011 10:28:51 AM PST by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than preachers, professors and politicians.)
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To: null and void

interest ping


33 posted on 01/25/2011 10:29:18 AM PST by Shimmer1 (When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt.)
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To: Kaslin

(Thanks for posting this interesting article. )

“In the end, all four men seemed to see science fiction as a place where ideas like individual freedom could be freely examined and explored.”

... Or where LOSS of individual freedom could be freely examined and explored.

Hopefully they can continue to do both. Unfortunately, we live in a time where there are those who would take away the individual freedom to write a book about ‘loss of individual freedom’, claiming that such books ‘destroy’ their own ‘individual freedom’ (as if they were being forced to read those stories).


34 posted on 01/25/2011 10:30:33 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Vaquero; GraceG
Did you miss GraceG's in that he was more libertarian?
35 posted on 01/25/2011 10:31:00 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

36 posted on 01/25/2011 10:32:08 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: delacoert

No one forced you to read the article


37 posted on 01/25/2011 10:34:08 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin
It has always tilted to a more conservative-libertarian way.

“Meanwhile, planetary history has shown that vast powerful central bureaucracies don’t generally produce either general welfare or freedom or wealth, and science fiction writers have sort of noticed that

Even liberal writers have noticed that and they write dystopian stories where corporations run amuk in place of governments. lol.

38 posted on 01/25/2011 10:34:56 AM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: Frantzie

“Who has time to read sci fi? Little kids?”

I commute over 90 minutes every day with the option of listening to NPR or music I don’t enjoy on the radio. Enter the library with it’s selection of books on CD. I have more time for SciFi and other literature now than I ever had growing up.

In fact, I have developed a real affinity for some of the new writers.


39 posted on 01/25/2011 10:35:34 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: GraceG

Sci-fi has long had a strong libertarian bent. It didn’t start that way, as H.G. Wells was anything else. It also didn’t continue that way, with such popular socialistic masterpieces as Edward Bellamy’s “Looking Backward.” However, when the genre shifted from monster of the week and girls in gold bikini schlock to a serious interest in scientific reality, for whatever reason, the characters tended to be hard realists and rugged individualists with a distrust for the state (or whatever happened to be in authority). The quintessential representative of this school was Robert Heinlein.*

One might expect radicial visions of different social and political arrangments, and often changes in human nature itself, not to appeal to conservatives. But of course conservatives and libertarians are united by their hatred of socialists and meddlers of all varieties. So even if this isn’t what’s being talked about with the conservative movement in sci-fi, to a certain extent it’s always been there.

The libertarian trend never ended, but with the 60s came the popularity of the New Wave, which in addition to being less heroic and more cynical was also decidedly leftist, associated with the typical antiwar, anti-tradition, anti-Nixon, etc. stances. It is best exemplified by Philip K. Dick, though he was more interested in the non-linear, non-happy ending style of storytelling than politics (it seems to me). Given the “long march through the institutions,” former hippies have monopolized literary opinion, and of course this sort of thing has gotten all the respect (aside from the respect reserved for Heinlein, who is too large a figure to be denied). Ever subsequent movement, from cyberpunk on down, has been interpreted in its light. Nothing respectable could possibly be libertarian/conservative, and so nothing was. At least so far as we’re told.

But that’s just belly-aching on my part, I guess. I’d just like it to be remembered that there was a time when sci-fi was considered rightwing, though one might seldom hear of it.

*See also Poul Anderson, L. Neil Smith, Vernor Vinge, Eric Frank Russell, Ken MacLeod, Victor Koman, Neal Stephenson, Ayn Rand (if you consider Atlas Shrugged sci-fi), Ray Bradbury (perhaps), Ursula K. LeGuin (?)

Plus, various dystopias written by people who may have been actual communists, but wrote things that appeal to conservatives/libertarians: Yevgeny Zamyatin, George Orwell, Aldous Huxley, etc.


40 posted on 01/25/2011 10:35:53 AM PST by Tublecane
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