If Obama Goes … [If he's found ineligible]

Canada Free Press ^ | August 15, 2010 | Philip V. Brennan

[2ndDivisionVet]

Efforts to get the United States Supreme Court to demand that Barack Obama provide unassailable proof of American citizenship continue without results.

Just for a moment, imagine that the Court does its job and it turns out that Obama can’t come up with a legitimate birth certificate showing that he was indeed born on U.S. soil in what was then the territory of Hawaii, and the Court declares that he is therefore ineligible to serve as the nation’s chief executive.

Should that be the case nothing that he has done, no appointments that he has made nor executive orders he issued would be valid. And under the provisions of the Constitution, John McCain would be declared the legitimate President of the United States and Sarah Palin the Vice President starting with Inauguration Day, 2009.

All acts of Congress since January 2009 and signed by Obama would be null and void. No Obamacare, no federal tax laws, and none of his cabinet or sub-cabinet appointments would be valid.

And there would be blood in the streets as the labor union and the rest of the thuggery that supports him would erupt in violence. And God knows where we’d end up.

The prospect of the nation enduring another two and a half years of this incredibly unqualified man is unpleasant, but perhaps the consequences of driving him from the office he now holds could prove disastrous.

The nation has endured many a great and tragic crisis , including a bloody Civil War that often set brother against brother, and a depression that nearly leveled the economy for all time. We survived in all such cases.

We can survive the final years of Barack Obama’s presidency..(continued)

[mountn man]

The blacks in the hood would riot. And SOME union people might demonstrate. But Obama isn’t as liked amongst the common union person as he was even 1 year ago. The union leaders might talk it up, and some of the union people will follow whereever, but I think the average person would let it go.

[Dr. Sivana]

The evidence in the public record is quite clear and uncontestable: Obama’s father was a foreign national, which means Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, and so Constitutionally he is not and has never been POTUS.

Saying that evidence in the public record is enough doesn't make it so for a Court. It actually occurred to me that the father's name on the BC might be the real reason for withholding it.

The Courts have generally been unwilling to get involved in the actual mechanics of elections and eligibility. Frankly, given Stanley Dunham Obama Sotero's behavior, I am not sure anyone would know who the biological father was with certainty. More than a handful of birth certificates have inaccurate information on that score!

I believe the Court would determine that the Electoral College's judgment was sufficient. This wouldn't be the first time that questionable means were used in the determination of the president. The Hayes-Tilden election had multiple sets of vote counts. For Hayes to have won, all ELEVEN disputed states would have had to go his way. Tilden almost certainly had a majority of electors "under the Constitution." A deal was struck, and Hayes was allowed in. If some historian came up with documented proof that the Tilden counts, or even ONE of them, were correct, it would not change the fact that Rutherford B. Hayes, and NOT Samuel Tilden, was the President of the United States.

[D Rider]

Or “...If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.” Section 3 of the 20th amendment to the constitution.

[Vendome]

It would be best for the country to leave Biden as the sitting President.

It would be seen as legitimate, Biden is an American and hilarious.

The country will be unusually entertained with Biden and would need the distraction.

The rest of the Cabal Nancy and the other SOB’s that were in on the fix, when they signed resolution 511 and should be tarred and feathered.

[Cheerio]

All acts of Congress since January 2009 and signed by Obama would be null and void. No Obamacare, no federal tax laws, and none of his cabinet or sub-cabinet appointments would be valid.

It will take someone with an iron "constitution" to be willing to start a race war. IMHO I do not believe there is anyone in places of power that has such a spine. I personally believe Barry is an undocumented Kenyan or Indonesian. There is just too many unanswered questions. Jerome R. Corsi (published at WND) has been doing good investigative journalism. Here is a recent example - "Another Obama puzzle: 3rd grade in 2 countries?"

"The release of two sets of State Department documents through a Freedom of Information Act request has given new life to the puzzle of how Barack Obama could have attended third grade in Hawaii, as claimed by a classmate, while he has stated he was living in Indonesia at the time. The indication Obama attended third grade in 1969 at Noelani Elementary School in Honolulu comes from an old photograph made public by classmate Scott Inoue. The informal photo shows Obama and Inoue against a background of what appears to be Christmas drawings by schoolchildren posted on a classroom bulletin board. "The photo shows Barack Obama's arm around me in the third grade at Noelani in 1969," Inoue told WND. "My mother wrote that inscription on the bottom of the photograph at the time the picture was taken."
The inscription reads: "Scott & Barry 3rd grade 1969."
WND asked Inoue how Obama could have been with him in Hawaii in the third grade, contrary to the accepted narrative placing Obama in Indonesia at the time.

From another Corsi article - "No birth certificate among passport documents"

The released State Department documents make clear that Barack Obama Jr. was listed on his mother's passport. However, as WND has previously reported, the State Department claims Dunham's application for her 1965 U.S. Passport No. 777788, issued July 19, 1965, was destroyed at some unspecified time in the 1980s, apparently pursuant to a General Services Administration directive. Lacking Dunham's application for her 1965 U.S. passport, it is impossible to determine what documentation, if any, she submitted to the State Department to establish her son was a U.S. citizen.

[wendy1946]

I’d just as soon get rid of the SOB and take my chances. You either have a serious country or you don’t, and the danger of not being taken seriously in the world is at least as great as any danger of blood in the streets over a case of fraud being properly adjudicated.

[PackerBoy]

Point taken.

[Silentgypsy]

“...removal of Obama would create a huge societal upheaval....”
I have this crazy hunch that there are professional provocateurs who will use any excuse to incite violence in order to declare martial law.

[Vigilanteman]

You are correct. Biden was duly elected vice president and is elevated to serve if, for any reason, the president becomes incapacitated under the 25th amendment. The only way around this would be to convict Biden of a conspiracy to get himself elevated to the office, something which would be doubly difficult due to Biden's diminished mental capacity.

McCain would have no claim whatsoever on the office as he didn't even come close to getting the required number of electoral votes.

[DBrow]

I see your point, but I read it this way- if the president elect is found not to qualify before his term is to start, then you go with another option. I think that’s the intent because right after this it talks about the vice president elect, not the sworn-in one.

In this case, let’s assume that suddenly everyone agrees he’s not eligible (”qualified”), it will be after the start of his term.

This is all uncharted waters, the people who wrote the constitution did not imagine that someone who does not qualify would get to take the oath. Let alone have the actual oath flubbed by a variety of Charlie Foxtrot, then administered in private with few witnesses and no cameras.

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Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

Section 2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Section 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

Section 5. Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.

Section 6. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.

[Cheerio]

I think it became a state in 1959. January 3, 1959- Alaska becomes the 49th State. http://hawaii.gov/statehood/history

[mountn man]

Obama nominates the judges, he doesn't appoint them.

Yhey are confirmed by the Senate.

They'd stick.

Besides, Obamas puppets are just replacements for the two he had who retired.

[wku man]

McLame and Palin were the runners-up, so if the "winners" were declared ineligible, in theory at least, the race would have to go to the 2nd place finishers. Peloser wouldn't come into the equation, much to her chagrin.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[Cheerio]

The evil that would result from knowingly and deliberately violating the Constutition in any matter whatsoever, let alone one as crucial as who may validly be POTUS, so dwarfs whatever Obama's base might do in response to his invalidation (not removal—you can't remove someone from a position they have never actually held) that it's insane to even try to compare them, let alone use the latter to justify overlooking the former.

Don't overlook the financial and campaign FRAUD he committed knowingly raising almost a BILLION dollars in donations. That ought to be one humongous class action lawsuit!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Yeah, so? He was sworn in, he had an inaugural and everything. He occupies the Oval Office and represents the US in its dealings.He is de facto president. He could be found ineligible tomorrow and instantly removed from office, but de facto officer doctrine still says that everything he did while occupying the office would still stand. Like I said, look it up. Check out Rehnquist's opinion in Ryder v. United States:

The de facto officer doctrine confers validity upon acts performed by a person acting under the color of official title even though it is later discovered that the legality of that person's appointment or election to office is deficient. Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425, 440 (1886). "The de facto doctrine springs from the fear of the chaos that would result from multiple and repetitious suits challenging every action taken by every official whose claim to office could be open to question, and seeks to protect the public by insuring the orderly functioning of the government despite technical defects in title to office." 63A Am. Jur. 2d, Public Officers and Employees § 578, pp. 1080-1081 (1984) (footnote omitted).

[American Constitutionalist]

Actually, there will be a smaller cival war between the black people.
It will be a smaller cival war between the brain washed America hating thugs, and the patriotic God loving blacks.

[TheConservativeParty]

It’s possible that the marxist mutt Barry Soetoro will not produce a long form BC because he does not have one in his possession and never did. His whackjob mother didn’t bother with such details as having and keeping one for little Barry.
If so then he’s in a bad place, needed to have one, yet never did, and so cannot produce it.

It is also possible that he does not know the day or year of his birth. There have been 2 different years on his own website, although they now have it nailed down as 1961. They had to get their story straight after all!

His anger at the world comes from many sources in his past and present. Not knowing when you were born has to be a thorn in his side.

Doncha get the feeling he hated his mother? Hates his whole cracker side? Hates whitey even though he is half white. His idiot mother really screwed him up but good.

He’s a hater. Hates the world. Centers his hate on our great country. He will go down as the most destructive and hated president in history and that includes long into the future. He’s a bastard coated bastard with bastard filling and I hope our country can survive 4 years of having the enemy within the White House.

[wku man]

"huh? biden would be prez if obama gets the boot."

Biden couldn't be prez, because he was the running mate on an ineligible ticket. Had an ineligible POTUS not been elected, he wouldn't have become VPOTUS. The only possible legal and logical outcome would be the runners-up, McLame and Palin, would be named the winners.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[seton89]

II,1,3 says nothing about parties,  tickets, or linkage between eligible candidates-

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In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. 
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Obama cannot be impeached because he isn’t, never was, and never can be president. 
Now, subversion of the Constitution
is a different matter.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Almost, but not quite right. He's destroying the country all right, but not as President”

That is great to read because if he was president and had those presidential powers he really could cause some problems for this country. I was getting worried about this country but you made me feel better.

Imagination-land makes everything better.