If Obama Goes … [If he's found ineligible]

Canada Free Press ^ | August 15, 2010 | Philip V. Brennan

[2ndDivisionVet]

Efforts to get the United States Supreme Court to demand that Barack Obama provide unassailable proof of American citizenship continue without results.

Just for a moment, imagine that the Court does its job and it turns out that Obama can’t come up with a legitimate birth certificate showing that he was indeed born on U.S. soil in what was then the territory of Hawaii, and the Court declares that he is therefore ineligible to serve as the nation’s chief executive.

Should that be the case nothing that he has done, no appointments that he has made nor executive orders he issued would be valid. And under the provisions of the Constitution, John McCain would be declared the legitimate President of the United States and Sarah Palin the Vice President starting with Inauguration Day, 2009.

All acts of Congress since January 2009 and signed by Obama would be null and void. No Obamacare, no federal tax laws, and none of his cabinet or sub-cabinet appointments would be valid.

And there would be blood in the streets as the labor union and the rest of the thuggery that supports him would erupt in violence. And God knows where we’d end up.

The prospect of the nation enduring another two and a half years of this incredibly unqualified man is unpleasant, but perhaps the consequences of driving him from the office he now holds could prove disastrous.

The nation has endured many a great and tragic crisis , including a bloody Civil War that often set brother against brother, and a depression that nearly leveled the economy for all time. We survived in all such cases.

We can survive the final years of Barack Obama’s presidency..(continued)

[mamelukesabre]

That makes no sense at all. The president decides who is VP and can change VPs whenever he wants.

[Sioux-san]

Pelosi should go to jail, too, for intentionally defrauding the American people with the phony election certifications. Biden ran on the ineligible ticket - he’s out, too. Does anyone think this country couldn’t run for a few years without these dolt?s on either side of the aisle? Same for most the major institutions - hospitals, colleges, school systems, big businesses - none of them really need the top dogs...sad but true, our leaders pretty much suck.

[muddler]

Neutered in November.

[unkus]

Doesn’t really matter.
The courts will never move fast enough to do anything during his first term.

He never planned on a second term. Doesn’t need one. The plan was the maximum amount of damage in the minimum amount of time.

Mission accomplished!

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Right on the money.

When 0bama does leave, he will be one of the most hated men ....in the world. The Evil bastard will be going BACK to Hell where he belongs.

[devere]

“And under the provisions of the Constitution, John McCain would be declared the legitimate President of the United States and Sarah Palin the Vice President starting with Inauguration Day, 2009.”

No need to read further. The author of the article is an ignoramus.

[DBrow]

There is nothing in the constitution that deals with an ineligible president. The only constitutional way to remove a president is by impeachment, for crimes committed.

Imagine what things would be like if the Supremes could remove a president for procedural violations, questions of eligibility, or emanations from penumbras.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Hawaii is the newest of the 50 U.S. states (August 21, 1959
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii

[Dr. Sivana]

Nope, President McCain and Vice President Palin, so says the author...

The author is wrong. A majority of electoral votes is needed. McCain/Palin didn't have them. What would happen next would be open for interpretation. I suspect either, that Biden would serve, as the man elected by the electoral college was ineligible, or the presidency would be thrown to the House and the VP to the Senate, possibly after a revote by the college. Basically, we would have a real mess, and frankly, it might be the fast track to a true civil war. My suspicion is that a deal would be cut where Biden would serve. The courts would (and should) want to get minimally involved.

[DBrow]

Any of these new rules you quote in the constitution or US Code?

[American Constitutionalist]

" And there would be blood in the streets as the labor union and the rest of the thuggery that supports him would erupt in violence. And God knows where we’d end up. "

In spite of fear mongering of those who are opposed to have the Obama's documents released, no, there will not be wide spread violence as some would say.
It would only be localized in mostly urban areas.
To the Union Thugs, and Obama supporters, we out number you.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

De facto officer doctrine. Look it up.

[sourcery]

The evil that would result from knowingly and deliberately violating the Constutition in any matter whatsoever, let alone one as crucial as who may validly be POTUS, so dwarfs whatever Obama's base might do in response to his invalidation (not removal—you can't remove someone from a position they have never actually held) that it's insane to even try to compare them, let alone use the latter to justify overlooking the former.

[Dr. Sivana]

There is nothing in the constitution that deals with an ineligible president. The only constitutional way to remove a president is by impeachment, for crimes committed.

Imagine what things would be like if the Supremes could remove a president for procedural violations, questions of eligibility, or emanations from penumbras.

I think the argument would be that he was never president in the first place. My suspicion is that the Court would take the Electoral College's word that he was eligible. Further, lack of a birth certificate doesn't prove he wasn't born here. I was accepting the author's assumption that the Court ruled otherwise, but I agree with you that the Court would not declare him invalid based on the lack of a BC. It's up to us to vote properly in November to make the remaining Dems see the light.

[2ndDivisionVet]

"To the Union Thugs, and Obama supporters, we out number you."

Not only that, but the firearms and ammunition plants have been working three shifts a day since 2007 to supply us. Do the math, SEIU/ACORN/Panthers/LaRaza/UAW/DUmmies.

[DBrow]

I stand corrected, thank you!

I was going by the Admission Act which had been discussed for a while before passing and being signed.

Either way Hawaii was a state when Barry was born there.

[bvw]

This is unchartered territory.

The Constitution covers it though. Dick Cheney is the President by that document.

The electoral college vote is moot, the election results the fruit of fraud.

In such cases the default is that the sitting President continues, but I take the two-term limit to apply, thus Dick Cheney is our President today.

[sourcery]

once someone takes office as President only congress can remove them with impeachment

False. Constitutionally, Obama has never been President. He can't even be impeached! You have to first actually BE POTUS in order to be impeached. Duh.

[Joe 6-pack]

"There is nothing in the constitution that deals with an ineligible president. The only constitutional way to remove a president is by impeachment, for crimes committed."

But there are things in the Constitution that define who can legitimately occupy the office.

I don't know if Obama is legitimate or not...I'd like for him to furnish some proof...

...but, for arguments sake, let's say this isn't about his NBC status, but about his age...Suppose that documentation was provided that proved beyond any doubt that Obama was only 33 years old. Clearly, he's not Constitutionally qualified or eligible to hold the office, hence, he never was president, and impeachment would be irrelevant since that is the prescribed means for removing somebody who legitimately assumed the office in the first place.

If it's determined Obama is not NBC, then impeachment would also be irrelevant.

[2ndDivisionVet]

IF he was born in 1961, which you and I have seen no proof of.

[DBrow]

Hee hee hee I KNEW I’d get a rise out of that!