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Traffic Camera Victim ‘Pays Back’ Police Dept.
Nanny State Liberation Front ^ | 06/09/2010

Posted on 06/09/2010 8:11:25 AM PDT by HandsOffMyFreedom

If you’ve ever been issued a traffic ticket by a red light or speeding camera, you will revel in the bittersweet justice one luck recipient bestowed upon his local nanny state police department.

Upon receiving a speeding ticket in the mail, Brian McCrary followed the citation’s payment instructions and attempted to pay his $90 fine on the Bluff City Police Department’s (BCPD) website. Much to his surprise, he discovered its domain name was about to expire.

Instead of paying his fine, McCrary saw it as a rare opportunity to literally ‘pay back’ the police department for violating his civil liberties with ‘Big Brother’ traffic cameras ...

(Excerpt) Read more at nannystateliberationfront.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Humor; Local News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; crime; internet; libertarian; nannystate; policestate; redlightcameras; revenuetickets
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To: Dutchboy88

“You are defining “freedom” as being able to get just beyond what the law says.”

Not at all. Life isn’t so black and white, there are many shades of gray. I do my damnedest to be a model citizen, but there are occasions when you inadvertently blow a light, either by misjudging the length of the yellow or some other distraction as you approach the intersection.

Technology should NOT be used as a weapon by the state against the citizenry. Period.

“Re read your post...it reeks of rebellion.”

Reeks? An interesting description that says much about your preference for subservience. Given the changes I’ve seen in just my one lifetime, I’d say rebellion may not be a bad thing.


161 posted on 06/09/2010 10:40:55 PM PDT by Tigerized (pursuingliberty.com)
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To: aSeattleConservative

“...if that same government totally ignored people who break the laws of civil society, would they not be adding to irresponsible behavior by allowing it to occur?”

Whose arguing for that? Not me. I have no patience for @$$hole drivers who flaunt the laws for whatever reason.

In a perfect world, people would recognize the social contract they’re part of in a civilized society, and behave accordingly. Putting the blame on government instead of where it belongs, on the miscreant, is faulty logic.

But in the Nanny State, people expect that the government will see to all of their needs. So why should they place any limits on their own behavior? Or even mature, for that matter?


162 posted on 06/09/2010 10:52:36 PM PDT by Tigerized (pursuingliberty.com)
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To: Dutchboy88
violation of his civil liberties that he gets a ticket by machine?

Yes. The constitution affords the right to face your accuser in court, which is why red-light tickets are are administrative fines and not actual criminal charges.
163 posted on 06/09/2010 11:12:12 PM PDT by pangenesis (Legalize freedom - vote Ron Paul!)
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To: 1010RD
Park an empty squad car and you’d get the same effect

Put a dummy (sorry, Mannequin) in it and it will work better, had this happen to me when I was 17 in SC and I know it works.

164 posted on 06/09/2010 11:29:29 PM PDT by lowflyn (He'll crack before we do.)
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To: TNdandelion
My point is made.

Au contraire mon frère.

A busy intersection sees thousands of vehicles crossing every weekday. Say 3000 for an imaginary "dangerous" intersection. At a 1% failure rate that would be 30 cars in accidents, assuming each accident is a two car that would be 15 accidents a day.

That simply doesn't happen at any intersection. That would be an epidemic. I used 99% as a place holder.

Six Sigma processes are 99.99966% defect free. That's considered the rarely reached upper realm of human perfection. In our imaginary intersection 15 accidents per 3000 car crossings is an accident/crossing rate of .005, still too high for a real life "dangerous" intersection.

Now you research and find the average accident (and remember most accidents are simply fender benders with no injuries) rate at any red light monitored intersection.

Then your point will be made...or not.

165 posted on 06/10/2010 3:55:17 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Tigerized
In a perfect world, people would recognize the social contract they’re part of in a civilized society, and behave accordingly. Putting the blame on government instead of where it belongs, on the miscreant, is faulty logic.

Exactly! Why are we arguing again?

Knowing that man would not be perfect, God established the civil government.

" God established civil government to be an avenger who brings wrath upon those who practice evil. The civil government’s power to use the sword is legitimate in certain limited cases. The Bible has mandated that the power of the sword is to keep the peace, to protect those who do what is right. Civil rulers are said to be “ministers of God” similar to the way pastors are “ministers of God.” They are God’s “deacons” in their designated governments, one ecclesiastical and the other civil."

But in the Nanny State, people expect that the government will see to all of their needs. So why should they place any limits on their own behavior? Or even mature, for that matter?

Then we should agree; enforcement of (moral) laws, hence placing limits on people's wrongful behavior is the opposite of that of a Nanny State.

166 posted on 06/10/2010 4:48:03 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: rickomatic

LOL...I fled the city of insanity years ago. I only work there for the high wages.


167 posted on 06/10/2010 4:49:13 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: moehoward
Yes, if I called the State Patrol on some guy that almost ran your wife and children off the road, I would most certainly be a "hero" in their eyes.

Let me guess, in your world, you NEVER "narc" anyone out right?

168 posted on 06/10/2010 4:51:33 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I think you're on the wrong website.

Actually, I think you are. Aside from the occasional libertarian that I run into on here (usually in cop hating and of course pro dope smoking threads) the vast majority of people on FR believe in God. As I pointed out in an earlier post, God created the civil magistrate for a reason:

God established civil government to be an avenger who brings wrath upon those who practice evil. The civil government’s power to use the sword is legitimate in certain limited cases. The Bible has mandated that the power of the sword is to keep the peace, to protect those who do what is right. Civil rulers are said to be “ministers of God” similar to the way pastors are “ministers of God.” They are God’s “deacons” in their designated governments, one ecclesiastical and the other civil."

Either you're "on" the side of the guy recklessly driving down the freeway (you're on his side by not reporting him and allowing him to continue to be a threat to society with his disregard for human life) or you're not. There is no "middle ground". And please note: the keyword here is "reckless". I'm not going to waste my time or the police depts time calling in on some guy going 75 in a 60 UNLESS he almost runs me or someone else off the road while doing so. Heck, I've called in on guys that WERE doing the speed limit solely because it was obvious that they were DUI. You need to get your priorities straight there pardner; police officers are the good guys, irresponsible people aren't.

169 posted on 06/10/2010 5:01:34 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: TankerKC

Read my other posts about the role of the civil magistrate.


170 posted on 06/10/2010 5:03:25 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: driftdiver
If the motivation is the crime its one thing, if the motivation is revenue its another. Everyone knows that police dept’s enforce traffic laws more aggressively when budgets are tight.

Yet if you obeyed those laws that were meant to be obeyed, those depts. couldn't get a dime off of you, right?

Police are hardly the ones to preach about morality. They speed illegally all the time.

Are you referring to while they're on duty or off?

171 posted on 06/10/2010 5:07:33 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: 1010RD
Don’t we have this thing called a “speed bump”?

Ah, so the Nanny State has to provide "speed bumps" to keep it's citizens in line? Oh my, the hypocrisy is getting waist deep in here now!

172 posted on 06/10/2010 5:09:59 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: 1010RD
Government rarely protects. Caveat emptor is the rule and the Natural Law.

Are you serious, buyer beware when it comes to enforcement of laws that protect citizens from reckless drivers? Go back to your Ayn Rand quotes and double check on that one. (it deals with property laws, not criminal).

173 posted on 06/10/2010 5:16:37 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: 1010RD
Study after study show that drivers never drive faster than they are comfortable with.

So the rule of law should be based on each individual's "comfort zone"?

174 posted on 06/10/2010 5:18:58 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: 1010RD
Let's see he's 11 miles over the speed limit and a danger to society? You protest too much.

Is there a need for speed laws? If so, what should the signs say, something like "35 MPH or whatever you're comfortable with"? As mentioned in an earlier post, unless I break traffic laws, those municipalities won't get a dime out of me when it comes to traffic laws. But then, libertarians like yourself HATE government, and the only "good" government in your eyes is one that legalizes vice. Right?

175 posted on 06/10/2010 5:25:42 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: 1010RD
The passive citizen - is he just lazy or is liberty too much for him?

When an irresponsible driver violates my "liberty" to travel freely about without worrying about my safety due to his or her irresponsible behavior, I'm hardly "passive" when I pick up the phone and dial 911.

176 posted on 06/10/2010 5:28:58 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: Political Junkie Too
"Let's say that you are photographed entering your hotel room with a woman, and then a few hours later you are photographed leaving that room alone. Nobody entered or exited the room between these two events.

Now suppose that the next day the woman is found dead in your room. Is the photo enough to convict you of the murder?"

Then, let's say that they found peanut butter on top of the refrigerator and that a moose was seen mowing the grass on the golf course. Yes, I can see the danger...

177 posted on 06/10/2010 7:22:06 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: 1010RD
"Exactly. This crime isn't like other crimes. It is a revenue generating scheme. Crimes must be real not created by government."

I won't dignify this with a rebuttal.

178 posted on 06/10/2010 7:23:22 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Tigerized
"Not at all. Life isn’t so black and white, there are many shades of gray. I do my damnedest to be a model citizen, but there are occasions when you inadvertently blow a light, either by misjudging the length of the yellow or some other distraction as you approach the intersection."

It is curious that you even write this tripe. If it is so very "accidental" and "explainable" that you were just looking out the window and daydreaming and paying no attention while you "inadvertently blow a light", go tell it to a human judge and let him tell you THAT IS WHY PEOPLE DIE when self-justifying rationalizers drive without following the rules. Or he may agree with you and let you walk. Amazing...

179 posted on 06/10/2010 7:27:33 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: pangenesis
"Yes. The constitution affords the right to face your accuser in court, which is why red-light tickets are are administrative fines and not actual criminal charges."

Go catch up on the past 50 posts. Call us when you read the thread.

180 posted on 06/10/2010 7:28:52 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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