Posted on 04/11/2010 3:02:29 PM PDT by InspectorSmith
"If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion. What has killed us here is exclusion; that once Mr. Orengo is President, I know of no other place than Ugenya. That is why we were fighting against these many Presidencies in the past. I hope that Kenya will come of age. This country must come of age. People want freedom and nations want liberation, but countries want independence."
(Excerpt) Read more at bunge.go.ke ...
Other mentions of James Orengo
Mr Odinga recognised the ministers present, terming them the winning team of 2012. They included deputy prime minister Musalia Mudavadi, Amason Kingi, James Orengo, Anyang’ Nyongo’, Paul Otuoma, Joseph Nyaga and Otieno Kajwang’.
http://www.emoiz.com/tag/james-orengo
He was one of the so-called Young Turks, a group of second generation Kenyan leaders who characterized the popular Forum for The Restoration of Democracy(FORD) pressure group that later became a full-fledged political party. Other popular Young Turks included Raila Odinga, Paul Muite, James Orengo, Gitobu Imanyara just to mention but a few. Wamalwa grew particularly fond of veteran Kenyan politician and initial FORD frontrunner Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, who it became apparent was grooming
http://www.123people.com/ext/frm?ti=person%20finder&search_term=james%20orengo&search_country=US&st=person%20finder&target_url=http%3A%2F%2Fkenya740.tripod.com%2Fwamalwa.html§ion=weblink&wrt_id=217
Prime Minister Raila Odinga tried to play down the issue so as not to appear as opposing the President but his allies, James Orengo and Prof Anyang Nyongo, could not have opposed Ringera’s reappointment without Raila’s tacit approval and encouragement.
http://www.123people.com/ext/frm?ti=person%20finder&search_term=james%20orengo&search_country=US&st=person%20finder&target_url=http%3A%2F%2Fnairobichronicle.wordpress.com%2F§ion=weblink&wrt_id=217
What happened to the posts on Sarkozy saying Obama is nuts?
Does anybody know?
I was on 2 of em that got pulled
One word...Bilderberg...he will never let the Obama BC issue come to light on anything he owns.
Beck and O’Reilly are for themselves first, their bank accounts second.
It seems obvious to me that he is hinting that Obama’s records were scrubbed or something along those lines. They weren’t even discussing their own elections or the violence afterwards. They were discussing Obama, after they had begun the whole motion to discuss that he was a native son elected President of the US. If the libs tried that excuse, it’s weak as hell...lol.
Sorry I am so behind on all the research and you guys are having to play ‘catch pen up on things’....lol
I suspect they were pulled because the posters were not quite correct in the French translation and it was misleading.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
This one not scrubbed yet.
Sunday, June 27, 2004
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.
Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.
Barrack Obama
“It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race,” Ryan, 44, said in a statement. “What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play.”
That’s a good point to bring up the context of the discussion.
That’s true...and it is very frustrating how people just don’t think it is important.
Shows just how broken our system really is.
Where is the GOP?
James Orengo, Minister of Lands in the Kenyan Coalition Government, states the following in a Kenya Parlement (National Assembly) Official Report -
“… how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become president of America?”
FOLKS -- IT JUST CAN’T GET ANY CLEARER THAN THIS!
WITHOUT A DOUBT, OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA AND IS THEREFORE A USURPER FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT!
I don’t see how the prominent talk show hosts like Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity can continue to ignore the issue of OBAMA’S INCREASINGLY OBVIOUS ELIGIBILITY PROBLEM!
It is my understanding that if Obama can be legally declared to have obtained the office of President fraudulently, all legislation he has signed into law, including the Health Care Reform Act, can be rendered null and void by the “de facto officer doctrine”. I think that would be worth us all getting together and fighting for with every bit of power and intelligence we can muster!
better links to previous post
“Prime Minister Raila Odinga tried to play down the issue so as not to appear as opposing the President but his allies, James Orengo and Prof Anyang Nyongo, could not have opposed Ringera’s reappointment without Raila’s tacit approval and encouragement.”
Nairobi Chronicles
Ringera: Too much noise over small issues
September 19, 2009 by nairobichronicle
http://nairobichronicle.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/ringera-too-much-noise-over-small-issues/
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He was one of the so-called Young Turks, a group of second generation Kenyan leaders who characterized the popular Forum for The Restoration of Democracy(FORD) pressure group that later became a full-fledged political party. Other popular Young Turks included Raila Odinga, Paul Muite, James Orengo, Gitobu Imanyara just to mention but a few. Wamalwa grew particularly fond of veteran Kenyan politician and initial FORD frontrunner Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, who it became apparent was grooming the young Wamalwa to take over from him.
http://kenya740.tripod.com/wamalwa.html
Just more proof that the GOP is directly responsible for the big zero...and somehow people actually think voting back in control is actually going to do anything.
This isn’t going to end well.
Thanks. I remember this one from awhile back. Nice to know they haven’t scrubbed it. There are alot of things it is just too late for them to scrub. Too many people already know and have screen captured them.
It’s good that you are bringing this up - so many new people - lurkers, media, FR members who never paid attention yet - it takes a lot of reading to get up to speed.
I’m useless because I don’t have links/docs etc. I’m just a gadfly.
No one forces you to come to these threads wasting your valuable time, when you could be pursuing "worthwhile political" discussions, I'm just saying you spend A LOT of time, on eligibility threads calling names and casting out insults. Go elsewhere and spread your good cheer, I promise you won't be missed.
I would consider looking beyond the the GOP, dude.....(ineffectual to they are).
FOR THE RECORD:
Sunday, June 27, 2004
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
http://web.archive.org/web/200406271...ws26060403.htm
and, the front page for the above article:
http://web.archive.org/web/200406270...astandard.net/
October 9, 2008
Trial and Triumph: Stories Out Of Africa
She also describes the stories that have been exciting, including the U.S. presidential race of Kenyan-born Sen. Barack Obama.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=95550177
http://frontpage.americandaughter.co...n-npr-page.jpg (screen shot)
US Presidential Polls:Obama, McCain slug it out today
The Kenyan-born Senator will, however, face a stiff competition from his Republican counterpart, John McCain who has taken the presidential battle to the finishing line with vigorous campaign strategies.
http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/...ews/news1.html
http://oilforimmigration.org/images/screencapt3.jpg (screen shot)
SECURITY CONCERNS FOR TOURISM AS SENATOR OBAMA JETS INTO KENYA
As Kenyan born US Senator Barack Obama jets into Kenya today as part of his African tour,
http://www.africa-ata.org/ug_newsletter.htm
Otunnu on Luo Tribe Member Being Elected President, Oct. 25, 2008
Olara Otunnu (Harvard Law, 1978) relating the remark of Kenyan historian Ali Mazrui on the oddity that a member of Kenya’s Luo tribe (Barack Obama, a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from birth) may become president of the United States before a Luo tribe member becomes president of Kenya. “Town Hall Forum: An Examination of Race, Age, Gender & Religion in the 2008 Election,” Harvard Law School Reunions, Oct. 25, 2008, 9:15 a.m. (Austin Hall, 1st Floor, West), at 60:17 mark.
http://www.archive.org/details/Otunn...ntOct.252 008
Otunnu Remembers Barack Obama Sr., Oct. 25, 2008
“Olara Otunnu (Harvard Law, 1978) remembers Barack Obama, Sr., and comments on the similarities between father and son. “Town Hall Forum: An Examination of Race, Age, Gender & Religion in the 2008 Election,” Harvard Law School Reunions, Oct. 25, 2008, 9:15 a.m. (Austin Hall, 1st Floor, West), at 64:13 mark.”
http://www.archive.org/details/Otunn...aSr.Oct.252008
Nigeria: Clintonian Branding
“Little wonder then why Kenyan-born Barack Obama, America’s first Black President, converted his major speech at his recent Ghana trip to a scathing upbraiding of Nigeria’s irresponsible leadership!”
http://allafrica.com/stories/200908200781.html
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
http://allafrica.com/stories/200908200781.html
http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/images/kenyan-born-npr-page.jpg
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/ghana1two.jpg
545 posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:12:20 AM by thouworm
It may be worth it for us all as conservatives to do edits on wikipedia, but if we are going to do that we are going to have to keep it in our minds to be vigilant persistent and consistent.
See this for what I mean:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2471050/posts
I just looked a minute ago. The wiki page is still scrubbed.
Big deal. Probably half of Kenya believes Barack Obama was born there. And I'm sure half of Australia thinks Nicole Kidman was born in that country as well.
Ping! Not sure if you have seen this yet. looks like WND has picked it up too now.
Skimming the document more closely, it is a discussion of a new draft constitution for Kenya: Below are snips from James Orengo’s speech (See last paragraph for relevant Obama section.):
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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, before we started debate on this Motion, the Speaker pointed out a very important matter in relation to the constitution-making process. I may be excused with respect to refer to one of the parts of the constitution that many of us would not referring to because we are more concerned with the body of the constitution rather than the preamble.
In the preamble, I found these words which are very important. In fact there are two parts of the preamble that I consider very important in this constitution-making process.
The first preamble says:-
“Honouring those who heroically struggled to bring freedom and justice to our land. Exercising our sovereign and inalienable right to determine the form of governance of our country and having participated fully in the making of this Constitution.”
So, if I begin with the last part of this preamble; it states in very clear terms that at the end of this process, the product that will go for publication as the Constitution of Kenya and become part of the basic law and the supreme law of the land, will be a document which has been made by the people of Kenya. This is quite different from the current Constitution, which was not a product, of neither this House nor the people of Kenya.
(snip)
So, I want to say that this document in its entirety – I am not saying that it is perfect – but it is better than anything that we have had before, and I commend it to this Parliament and the nation. But in saying that, without leadership, however good the document is, we need men and women who will be guided by the values contained in this document. If we do not live by the values and principles contained in this Constitution, all that is contained in this Constitution will be of no significance. This is because the unmaking of Kenya began by disregard and non-compliance of the law. We ended up in a dictatorship that we had to fight for so many years.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have noticed that other than what my learned friend, hon. Kajwang, referred to in his contribution, about the sovereign power of the people, you will notice in the chapter dealing with the Executive, that unlike the present Constitution, the Executive authority of the President and Cabinet Secretary is derived from the people, which is quite unlike the current situation. If I can compare it with what was happening about ten to 15 years ago because the law has not changed significantly, there was a time that we were told that even to imagine or encompass the death of a President was treason.
I know that many Members of Parliament who are my colleagues here were taken away and detained on the basis that they encompassed and imagined the death of the “sovereign”. So, we have gone through great times and this is, therefore, a historical moment.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to end this contribution by saying that the most important chapter in this Constitution is about devolution. Without devolution, I can tell you, we are back to square one, because this is a presidential system. I want to be corrected in another 20 or 30 years that if we do not have devolution, the Presidency we have created is even more powerful than the current President. This is because the current President sits in the Cabinet with elected Members of Parliament. He derives membership of his Cabinet from this Parliament. He sits in Cabinet with people who relate to the people directly. This is a President who is not a Member of the Legislature. So, the only way that we can check this Presidency is through devolution.
Any system – even monarchical systems – where there is a diffusion and de-concentration of power, be it in Old Germany or the Anglo Saxons, where there was devolution, you could see that not only the promises of liberty but also development could be achieved. I assure you that what we are even trying to do through the Constituencies Development Fund (CDF) by devolving funds is not re-inventing the wheel.
There was mechanism and systems for taking funds to the districts in various programmes but there was no legal and lawful framework for accountability and representation at the lowest level. So, the CDF has made a little bit more progress than the District Commissioners (DCs) who were managing large funds but had no accountability or there was no system for interrogating them.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if we are creating regions or counties on the basis of ethnicity, you have missed the point about devolution. If we want to live in ethnic cocoons, devolution will not resolve our problems. Even a Member of Parliament said yesterday that Kenya is still a tribal country even as we say that we are a unitary State. Devolution is giving the promises of better governance because you are taking the administration, accountability and resources to the people.
If you look at Nairobi today, the Maasai or Kikuyus can claim Nairobi today, but times have changed. Nairobi now is a metropolitan City. In another ten years, Mandera also will be a metropolitan city. So, the way to look at devolution is about governance. If at all we take this Constitution without looking at the elements of devolution properly, then I am afraid we have missed the boat.
We should be very courageous and brave because in 1963, resources were going to the regions. It was not by changing the Constitution that the regions went but by starving the regions of funds and even the power to tax the regions. That is how the regions were killed. But when the regions were working, even hon. Ngala was feeling better and safer as the president of the Coast region rather than being a Member of Parliament here.
The other thing that we are addressing through devolution is exclusion. What has made us suffer as a nation is exclusion. Once people feel excluded, even when you want to employ a policeman or constable or you want to build a dispensary, it must come from the centre. In the colonial days, these things were being done on the ground and they could give bursaries and build roads. I commend devolution. Those who fear devolution are living in the past. They are being guided by their ethnic consideration and objectives. They are living in the past.
If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion. What has killed us here is exclusion; that once Mr. Orengo is President, I know of no other place than Ugenya. That is why we were fighting against these many Presidencies in the past. I hope that Kenya will come of age. This country must come of age. People want freedom and nations want liberation, but countries want independence.
I beg to support.
(his speech ends here)
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