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I already know ths BUT I will print them out before they disappear off the web. TRUTH is the enemy of LBERALS and they have NO TOLERANCE FOR IT.
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I already know ths BUT I will print them out before they disappear off the web. TRUTH is the enemy of LIBERALS and they have NO TOLERANCE FOR IT.
“What they said”.. Tennessee Nana, direct descendant of Jesse the Walloon, and direct descedant of Phillipe Du Trieux, one of the passengers on the New Netherland, from Leyden, Holland, and a founder of New Amsterdam (New York City) March, 1623.
· Back in the early 80s, we took the kids up to Plymouth to see my wife’s sister who lived there at the time. Visited Plymouth Plantation. During the tour, I was struck by the presence of fortified guard shacks in the town square and asked the guide if they were a last line of defense for the citizens there if trouble with the natives spilled into the compound. He told us that they were for the control of the FOOD RIOTS which broke out those first few winters — BEFORE they abandoned their experiment with Marxism before Karl was even born.
Seems each generation or so we must relearn the hard lessons of history.
Obama will teach us the next round of such lessons. I suspect they will be BITTER ones indeed.
Have a wonderful day.
And the early leaders of this country wanted the turkey to be our national bird. Looks like they got their wish as we now have 537 TURKEYS running America — into the ground.
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However, while the Pilgrims had a communal system, I doubt it was abolished the very first year they were in the New World, and their Thanksgiving in December 1621 was NOT about its demise!
This story reads as if information found in the “diary of William Bradford” was actually the history of the Jamestown settlement over a decade before. That colony struggled for several years under its communal system, and starvation was a constant threat. Most of the colonists were noblemen and were resistant to doing hard labor, and as a result, only a few were working to feed everyone; with predictable results.
Things got so bad that, like the Hope Colony a few years before, the colonists abandoned the settlement and set sail for England. However, before they sailed out of the James River, they were met by another supply fleet coming from England. The new Governor that came with it, really shook things up (in the modern vernacular: he kicked ass and took names!) He abolished the communal system, ordered the nobles to work, commanded Sunday worship of all, and community service (militia, building repairs, etc.)
Within a year, the colony was flourishing. In 1619, they held the first official Thanksgiving by Englishmen in America.
Regarding “Bradford's diaries were later rediscovered” - It wasn't ‘diaries’ but a Family Journal that he wrote for his descendants.
It was in the possession of a grandson, who loaned it out and it got passed from person to person until the pastor of the Old South Church borrowed it. It was in the pastors library when the English took over the church for a stable during the Revolution. From here it disappeared.
It was finally tracked down in the late 1800’s - in the private library of the Archbishop Of London. After negotiations, it was gifted to Plymouth and published as “Bradford's History”. Up until that time, people speculated on their First Thanksgiving and how they lived. Thus we still have many erroneous ideas concerning them, like ‘dressed in black and white’ - and other nonsense, having mixed them up with the very different Puritans that founded Boston Bay colony.
After the late 1800’s publication, the book fell out of print again, but was again printed in the early 1950’s under the name “Of Plymouth Plantation’ - and is still in print.
Also available is the best account, other than Gov. Bradford's eye witness account, is a movie, available on DVD, “Desperate Crossing”
http://shop.biography.com/detail.php?p=69858
In addition: the first segment of the really great PBS series: We Shall Remain, is available to watch online.
It FINALLY bring out that the original Plymouth colonists had a warm and friendly relationship with the local Indians whom they admired and never tried to convert. They also made a mutual aid treaty - they only one never broken.
http://shop.biography.com/detail.php?p=69858
Most people are unaware of their presence in Maine - which was part of Massachusetts until into the 1800’s (Thank God for THAT split!).
They established trading posts as far north as Castine. Their most successful one was at Cusnac = now the site of the capitol, Augusta.
They brought everything, including the prefabbed trading post, up the Kennebec River.
Yes, Prefab. The trading post was 20’ x 60’, 3 rooms: family quarters (For John Howland, wife and 3 little girls) , middle was the trading room, and the last was the storage room. They made the building in Plymouth, took it up the river in sections and reassembled on site.
An aside: John Alden was arrested for murder there and hauled off to court in Boston...think of the Puritans as today's liberals and the Plymouth folk as conservatives.
and as to the outcome of his trial, I'll let y'all do the research.)
From this post they ‘trucked’ with the Indians to the north - peas, cloth, knifes and such for furs.
(Gov. Bradford, Alden, Howland etc are my 7th great great grandfathers, Elder Wm Brewster, Myles Standish, and such, 8th ggg. - So I have studied the group for decades) Journey of the Journal......http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/08/prweb430733.htm
Bradford’s descendants include:
The Baldwin brothers; (Alec, Daniel, William, and Stephen)
Ambrose Bierce; American dystopian novelist and satirist
Julia Child, American entrepreneur and chef of French and French-influenced cuisine
Frank Nelson Doubleday, American publisher, and his descendants, including Nelson Doubleday, Nelson Doubleday, Jr., and Russell Doubleday
George Eastman, American inventor and the founder of the Eastman Kodak Company
Clint Eastwood, American film actor, director, and producer
John Lithgow, American actor and philanthropist
George B. McClellan, Civil War general, Governor of New Jersey, Democratic opponent of Abraham Lincoln in the 1864 United States presidential election
Thomas Pynchon, American short story writer and novelist
Christopher Reeve, American film actor and political activist
William Rehnquist, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court from 1972 to 1986 and Chief Justice of the United States from 1986 until his death in 2005
Benjamin Spock, child care specialist and author
Adlai Stevenson III, United States Democratic Senator representing Illinois from 1970 to 1981, two-time candidate for Governor of Illinois
Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr.,publisher of the New York Times since 1992
Noah Webster, American educator, journalist, and lexicographer noted for his Webster’s Dictionary
oops - I just realized I posted one link twice and didn’t get this link posted
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/weshallremain/
This PBS special this spring “WE Shall Remain” is the most accurate telling of our dealing with the Native Americans I have seen.
The first segment in on the Pilgrims. It has a couple minor glitches, but still the truest I’ve seen to date. It shows that the original Pilgrims had a warm and lasting friendship with the local Indians, whom they admired and whom they never tried to ‘convert’. They made a mutual aid treaty that they never broke - the only treaty not to be broken.
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